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Grex > Agora46 > #121: California's Governor Gray Davis facing recall election | |
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gull
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response 241 of 264:
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Sep 19 14:15 UTC 2003 |
Lead time may be an issue, too. I doubt voting machines are mass
produced in large quantities. They're probably built on demand.
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i
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response 242 of 264:
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Sep 20 12:33 UTC 2003 |
Re: #240/241
Since the Chad-o-Matic voting stuff is in it's last days anyway,
they'll have to train folks on the new stuff soon regardless.
Getting the Office of the Undersecretary of the Department of
Red Tape to speed up is often pretty easy when you can apply a
lot of heat and light.
Voting machines spend 'most all their lives in storage, waiting
for an election day. I'd bet that stuff could be borrowed if
really needed.
Yes, getting a move on will cost more somewhere. But how high
is the cost to California's economy of having the uncertainty
hanging over everyone's heads for several extra months?
Probably vastly more.
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rcurl
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response 243 of 264:
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Sep 21 06:11 UTC 2003 |
Why is there any cost of California's economy from "uncertainty"? The
legislature and governor are still doing their jobs.
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klg
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response 244 of 264:
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Sep 22 01:08 UTC 2003 |
Why, yes. There most certainly would be. Risk averse capitalists will
avoid establishing/expanding their CA businesses pending the outcome of
the recall.
(The problem, Mr. rcurl, has been due to the fact the the legislator and
governor have not been "doing their jobs." Had they been, there would
most certainly not have been a recall movement!)
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rcurl
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response 245 of 264:
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Sep 22 05:42 UTC 2003 |
Democracy is not alone run by "Risk averse capitalists".
This was a contrived recall paid for by a right-winger. It's primary
effect may be another recall if Davis is recalled and a Republican is
elected. The recall cannot be good for California, economically or
politically. California is now the laughing-stock of the nation. You
think this is a good environment for investment?
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mcnally
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response 246 of 264:
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Sep 22 07:32 UTC 2003 |
California spends a lot of time being the butt of the nation's jokes,
particularly where politics is concerned. I doubt they care about
the affront to their dignity.
And the recall campaign may have been begun by Darrell Issa but no
matter how wealthy he happened to be there's no way one man could have
moved the recall effort this far along without substantial public
dissatisfaction with Gray Davis and the job he's done.
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klg
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response 247 of 264:
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Sep 22 16:07 UTC 2003 |
(Apparently, in CA only the communists should be able to exercise their
consitutional rights.)
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rcurl
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response 248 of 264:
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Sep 22 18:21 UTC 2003 |
"Substantial public dissatisfaction" for causing a recall amounts to only
18% of the electorate.
I didn't say the recall is unconstitutional, only that it did not have
a substantial basis for being initiated, even though it met the legal
requirement.
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mcnally
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response 249 of 264:
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Sep 22 21:11 UTC 2003 |
If you're right that only 18% of the electorate supports Davis' recall
then he has hardly anything to worry about, wouldn't you agree?
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klg
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response 250 of 264:
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Sep 23 01:57 UTC 2003 |
Isn't that approximately the same percentage of the vote George Bush got
in 2000 (and look what happened)?
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i
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response 251 of 264:
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Sep 23 02:54 UTC 2003 |
Don't recent polls show that likely voters are split about 50/50 on
whether to sack Davis? That strikes me as pretty substantial.
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rcurl
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response 252 of 264:
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Sep 23 06:18 UTC 2003 |
The 18% I quoted is the fraction of the electorate that signed the
petition to create the recall. The fact alone that the recall was
initiated should not be put forward as strong support for the recall. In
fact, probably a significant fraction of that 18% voted to initiate the
recall on the grounds that popular political action should be supported,
whether one agrees with the objective or not. In addition, the approx 50%
poll support favoring recalling the governor is how it looks now, but this
is in the heat of expression of some dissatisfaction with the governor. It
might shift if more people come to their senses.
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tpryan
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response 253 of 264:
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Sep 23 11:20 UTC 2003 |
I have signed for some initiative, for the right to vote on
it, while not being in favor of the initiative.
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gull
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response 254 of 264:
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Sep 23 13:43 UTC 2003 |
With a threshold of only 18%, I expect all future California governors
to be the subject of recall campaigns.
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gelinas
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response 255 of 264:
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Sep 23 15:52 UTC 2003 |
(After this . . . experience . . . I expect voters to be much more reluctant
to sign recall petitions. I also expect the legislature to modify the
enabling legislation, *especially* if a Republican ends up in the Governor's
mansion: The folks in control won't want the same tool used against them.)
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albaugh
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response 256 of 264:
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Sep 23 16:17 UTC 2003 |
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 12:02:04 -0400
From: CNN Breaking News <BreakingNews@MAIL.CNN.COM>
Subject: CNN Breaking News
-- Federal appeals court rules that California recall election will proceed
as scheduled on October 7.
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scg
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response 257 of 264:
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Sep 23 20:29 UTC 2003 |
Given the support shown in polls for the recall, it doesn't seem to me that
the recall's existence shows that the number of valid petition signatures
required was too low. Petition requrements are to keep things off the ballot
that don't have a chance of passing. This clearly wasn't that.
The replacement procedure is, however, a mess.
Incidentally Darrel Issa (the guy who funded the recall petition drive with
the intention of running for Governor, but then dropped out of the replacement
race) gave a speech yesterday urging people to vote against the recall.
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drew
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response 258 of 264:
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Sep 23 21:06 UTC 2003 |
18% of California's population sounds like a lot of people to get signatures
from. Was this the requirement, or was it something less?
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mcnally
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response 259 of 264:
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Sep 23 21:08 UTC 2003 |
> Incidentally Darrel Issa (the guy who funded the recall petition drive with
> the intention of running for Governor, but then dropped out of the
replacement > race) gave a speech yesterday urging people to vote against the
recall.
Heh.. You've gotta love it when something like this blows up in the
instigator's face. It gives hope that there's still room for the
public will to overcome the tremendous political influence of private money.
It seems patently clear that when Issa began this process he thought he
had a pretty reasonable chance of buying himself the governorship.
Unfortunately for him his money didn't buy him as much control over the
proces as he must have imagined it would.
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happyboy
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response 260 of 264:
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Sep 23 22:53 UTC 2003 |
HA HA!
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klg
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response 261 of 264:
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Sep 24 01:03 UTC 2003 |
re: "#257 (scg): . . . Incidentally Darrel Issa . . . gave a speech
yesterday urging people to vote against the recall."
According to report we heard, Mr. scg, this is a gross
mischaracterization. Mr. Issa, we believe, stated that were the two
primary Republican candidates remain in the race and split the vote, it
would likely result in the recall succeeding, but election of Senor
Bustamente as governor. For whatever his reasons, Issa prefers Davis to
Bustamente (but certainly not to a Republican).
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scg
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response 262 of 264:
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Sep 24 06:27 UTC 2003 |
Yes, and for that reason he urged a no vote on the recall.
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gull
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response 263 of 264:
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Sep 24 14:31 UTC 2003 |
I think Issa has been deeply disappointed with the whole thing. He
clearly thought that he would be the natural choice for governor if the
recall succeeded. Since it became clear this won't be a way for him to
buy his way into becoming governor, he's been having second thoughts.
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klg
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response 264 of 264:
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Sep 24 14:44 UTC 2003 |
No. This is incorrect. He is suggesting that either Ah-nold or Mr.
McClintock bow out in order to elect a Republican. In the event that
neither does so, he, apparently, prefers Mr. Davis over Senor
Bustamente.
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