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mcnally
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response 24 of 85:
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Oct 16 16:28 UTC 2003 |
I considered a portable MP3/CD player but ultimately decided that
they weren't portable enough for me -- they're too large to fit in
most pockets and if I can't tuck it away in a pocket and take it
with me then chances are I won't get a lot of use out of a portable
device. In my opinion the iPod is about as large as I'd like to go
(at least without a compelling reason for it to be larger, such as
video capabilities requiring a bigger screen) and one of the chief
attractions of the flash memory players is that they are smaller still -
*much* smaller in some cases. Smaller is better, at least until the
small form factor starts interfering too much with other engineering
goals, such as battery life and user interface.
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gull
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response 25 of 85:
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Oct 16 20:22 UTC 2003 |
The attractive thing about the iPod, from my perspective, is that it has
enough storage that you can load in a bunch of stuff and be able to
select what fits your mood later. With the flash disk based players,
storage capacity is pretty limited so you have to decide ahead of time
what you want to listen to.
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mcnally
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response 26 of 85:
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Oct 16 22:04 UTC 2003 |
Yes, that's a huge win in my book. It's got enough storage, in fact,
that you can also carry around useful non-music stuff with you.
I use mine to carry around a couple of useful applications (e.g. putty)
and some other helpful stuff, plus of course the calendar and phone
number/contact data for the built-in organizer programs.
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dbratman
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response 27 of 85:
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Oct 16 22:19 UTC 2003 |
I've had trays half-close on CDs that I improperly inserted. It didn't
hurt the CD.
I've set CDs down on random surfaces and left them there. That didn't
hurt the CDs either.
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dbratman
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response 28 of 85:
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Oct 16 22:24 UTC 2003 |
The one thing about handling CDs that really makes me wince is when
people pull them out of the jewel case by the edges only. The CD bends
terribly until the prong thingies in the middle let go.
No, no! Here's how you take a CD out of the jewel case: Thumb and
forefinger of one hand grab the edges of the CD at the top and bottom
of the case. Thumb of the other hand press down on the prongs.
(Fingers of second hand can brace themselves against the edge of the
case.) Now LIFT - do not pull - the CD out of the prongs with the
first hand, removing the second hand's thumb when the CD comes clear.
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dbratman
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response 29 of 85:
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Oct 16 22:26 UTC 2003 |
Sorry, I have to correct myself above. I just tried it, and realized
that I use thumb and -second- finger of the left hand for better
traction when lifting out the CD.
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mcnally
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response 30 of 85:
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Oct 17 00:24 UTC 2003 |
re #27:
> I've had trays half-close on CDs that I improperly inserted. It didn't
> hurt the CD.
Most of the time it doesn't, but at least once in my experience it left
a surprisingly deep gouge in the disc.
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gull
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response 31 of 85:
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Oct 17 00:53 UTC 2003 |
I usually use the thumb and ring finger on my right hand to lift the edges
of the CD while I press down the prongs with the index finger on the same
hand. That may not work for other people with smaller hands, though.
Incidentally, CDs have error correction codes built in, and for that reason
scratches that go radially across the disc aren't a big problem. It's
scratches that follow the direction of the tracks that are troublesome. For
that reason it's best to wipe directly across the CD surface when cleaning a
CD, not in circles around the hole like you would on a record.
Also, the most fragile side of a CD is the label side. The playing side is
thick polycarbonate. It can be scratched, but the scratches can, in a
pinch, be polished out. The label side is laquer and the data layer is very
close to the surface. I have one CD-R disc where a deep scratch in the
label side went through to the data layer and obliterated it, leaving clear
spot.
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mcnally
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response 32 of 85:
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Oct 17 05:54 UTC 2003 |
I didn't think it was especially helpful, but there was an article in the NYT
this week that was basically a summary of MP3 players for those not very well
acquainted with them.
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/10/16/technology/circuits/16basi.html?pagewante
d=1&8hpib
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vegetto
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response 33 of 85:
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Oct 17 10:12 UTC 2003 |
I also have ripped MANY cds to mp3,put multiple albums on one CD and
repeat.Right now I'm in the process of taking my 50 cds full of data and
transferring them to DVD's because I recently bought a burner for that reason.
4.7 gigs of storage as opposed to 650-700 megs is a SIGNIFICANT difference.50
data cds go onto about 9 DVDs-MUCH easierto index and keep track of.
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gull
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response 34 of 85:
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Oct 17 13:30 UTC 2003 |
It's interesting to think back to when the first MP3 players came out,
and were immediately the subject of legal challenges. At the time a lot
of people thought they'd be banned. Now they're commonly available from
major companies, not just grey-market importers.
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krj
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response 35 of 85:
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Oct 18 01:49 UTC 2003 |
Big Music tried to get MP3 players banned; Rio fought the lawsuit and
won, but was saddled with heavy legal expenses which helped to end their
existence as an independent company, IIRC. What I *do* remember
correctly is that the court held that a MP3 *player* is not an
audio "recording" device within the framework of the Audio Home Recording
Act, and thus it is not required to implement "serial copy management
system." Note, however, that there are no quality MP3 standalone
recorders, due to the AHRA.
There's a whole rant here, but you're probably all tired of reading
it in the Napster items.
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bru
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response 36 of 85:
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Oct 18 23:28 UTC 2003 |
dropped a cd on the floor of my car and scuffed it with my foot while driving.
It is damaged.
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anderyn
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response 37 of 85:
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Oct 19 14:18 UTC 2003 |
Which one?! Aggggk!
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dbratman
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response 38 of 85:
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Oct 20 22:25 UTC 2003 |
So I have a CD burner on my computer now, and I've tried making
straight disc-to-disc full copies of a few of my rarer CDs as backups.
Inevitably the copy has a patch (of varying length and intensity) of
crackling noise, sounding something like a radio station you can't
quite pick up, starting about 5 minutes in.
I haven't had any problem with copying CD-ROMs, though, as far as I've
been able to tell.
Any thoughts?
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mcnally
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response 39 of 85:
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Oct 20 23:26 UTC 2003 |
1) if you're having burning problems, consider switching to
a better (or sometimes simply different) brand of media.
2) try reducing the burn speed to 8x or under and see if that
helps.
3) believe the CD-burner app when it advises you to close all
other applications before it starts burning the disc.
Start with those and see if your results improve. What brand
and speed of burner, and what software are you using?
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gull
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response 40 of 85:
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Oct 21 13:57 UTC 2003 |
4) If you continue to have problems, rip first, burn second. When you
copy on-the-fly, especially at higher speeds, there is less the software
can do to compensate for errors.
5) Some drives simply do a poor job staying synchronized while ripping
audio. It's a much more difficult task than reading a data CD. Try
using a ripping app that's specifically designed to deal with difficult
situations. I recommend Exact Audio Copy under Windows and cdparanoia
under Linux. Both of these programs do an excellent job, even with
damaged CDs, and just as importantly they warn you if they think the
audio is degraded.
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murph
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response 41 of 85:
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Oct 23 20:41 UTC 2003 |
Getting back to the original question, I also have an iPod and love it. I
see no real reason to get anything else, unless you can get it for free.
(pre-iPod, I had a 64MB rio player that I got for free...)
Now that iTunes for windows has come out, I'd recommend that as your software
for cd ripping; among other advantages (such as working beautifully with the
iPod), it allows you to encode in AAC format instead of mp3. (aac is actually
mp4, or some part of mp4, I believe?) Ripping to AAC will let you store songs
at the same quality in a smaller size than mp3, meaning you can carry more
on your iPod (or hard drive). And iTunes is a free download and easy to use.
I've never been able to hear the difference between cds and mp3s (even on
headphones) except when listening to classical strings. Thus, I'm not going
to opine on which encoder gives the best sound quality--I'm recommending
iTunes based on features and ease of use.
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dbratman
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response 42 of 85:
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Oct 24 07:07 UTC 2003 |
Thanks, Mike and David. I haven't gotten to the point of figuring out
how to rip CDs yet. I'm sure it's pretty simple, but two things are
stopping me: the desire not to load my hard disc up with files which I
will then forget what they are, and a rapidly growing passion for not
learning any more new procedures of any kind than I have to. I'm old
enough now that my brain is full.
I'd have to crawl under the desk to see what brand of burner I have,
but the software is something called Easy CD Creator 5 Basic, which is
what came with the burner. I might be interested in the features of
Exact Audio Copy; is this something that can be found in software
stores? And can it copy data CDs too?
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mcnally
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response 43 of 85:
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Oct 24 07:31 UTC 2003 |
I'm pretty sure that if you want eac you'll be better off downloading it.
I won't guarantee that you won't find it on a shareware-type collection
for sale in a store but it's something you'd typically get by downloading
rather than finding it on a store shelf.
It's only for extracting digital audio from music CDs. You would typically
use it in conjunction with another program (such as "lame") which would
encode the audio data you extracted into a compressed format like MP3.
The chief virtue of eac and cdparanoia is that they are very particular
about doing the best job possible of extracting the audio -- not something
you can say about every audio-ripper program..
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gull
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response 44 of 85:
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Oct 24 13:29 UTC 2003 |
Also, EAC has the option to query CDDB for the track names, then name
the files appropriately. This helps combat the "lots of big files that
I've forgotten what they are" effect. :>
If all you're interested in is copying CDs, see if your CD copying
program has an option to do a "buffered" copy, instead of an
"on-the-fly" copy. That will rip the CD to a file on your hard drive,
then burn a new CD from the file, instead of trying to do both at once.
It has a much better chance of working well that way, but it's slower
so most programs default to on-the-fly copies.
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keesan
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response 45 of 85:
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Oct 24 14:39 UTC 2003 |
How much hard drive space is needed to copy a music CD (for the buffer)?
We were just given a computer with a 6G hard drive.
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mcnally
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response 46 of 85:
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Oct 24 17:35 UTC 2003 |
About 700Mbytes maximum for an 80 minute disc.
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goose
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response 47 of 85:
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Oct 29 02:01 UTC 2003 |
EAC is a great program, and can help read data (music data) off discs that
are sometimes unplayable in regualr CD players.
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dbratman
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response 48 of 85:
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Oct 29 17:10 UTC 2003 |
>I'm pretty sure that if you want eac you'll be better off downloading
>it.
So how do I find it? Google for it? And then how do I know the sites
I find are legitimate? I'm not putting any executable program on my
computer unless it comes from a reliable source, and web sites I know
nothing about don't count as reliable sources.
>You would typically use it in conjunction with another program (such
>as "lame")
Not ANOTHER program?! I'm having enough trouble convincing myself I
want the one.
>which would encode the audio data you extracted into a compressed
>format like MP3.
No, no, I listen to classical music: I do NOT want a compressed format
and the accompanying degradation of sound quality.
>Also, EAC has the option to query CDDB for the track names, then name
>the files appropriately.
A friend of mine with a Mac has ITunes, or whatever Steve Jobs's music-
for-sale biz is called, but instead of buying tunes he uses it to
organize his music files on his computer. What intrigues me about it
is that if he puts a music CD in his computer, the program looks it up
in some database somewhere and displays a track list.
What I would like to do is query that database. I don't want to get
music from it, but if it's as complete as it looks, I would like to be
able to find out what things have been recorded and who's recorded them.
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