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krj
response 24 of 106: Mark Unseen   May 27 22:13 UTC 2001

We discussed the problems of online browsing for classical CDs 
recently,  and in that discussion you (David) had the suggestion of 
browsing a Schwann catalog instead.  I haven't got a better solution.  
CD Connection's search functions may be a tiny bit better than Amazon's.

Other than that, there's Borders, which in Ann Arbor was the weakest 
of the three classical CD shops, but now it's all we have left.
I suspect the model becomes that one will now browse magazines and 
radio shows, rather than actually being able to paw through piles or 
lists of discs. 
dbratman
response 25 of 106: Mark Unseen   May 29 07:41 UTC 2001

A day or two after not finding that new Chandos release I'd been 
wanting at Tower, I found it at Barnes and Noble.  Which has a 
classical CD selection at least as large as the nearest Borders, and is 
one heck of a lot easier to get to.  Pretty small compared to Tower 
even now, though, and lacking all the useful tools - Penguin Guides, 
posted reviews, classical-only listening booths - that make Tower such 
an easy place to shop.  Sigh.
krj
response 26 of 106: Mark Unseen   Jun 26 19:01 UTC 2001

http://www.latimes.com/business/20010623/t000051875.html
 
Excerpts:  
 
"Tower Records... may have to file for bankruptcy protection if it 
cannot restructure weakening finances in the coming months, according
to the nation's top bond rating agency."    ...
 
"The 41-year-old Tower is being squeezed by a decline in album sales and 
a protracted price war with discount houses that is driving down 
profit margins." ...

"Music merchants say sales are down 5% to 10% for the first six 
months of the year, following disappointing showings by releases from
such big-name acts as Ricky Martin, Aerosmith and Depeche Mode....
According to research firm SoundScan... album sales at chain stores are
down about 3.6% from a year ago."
 
"Record chains such as Tower also blame their tepid sales on 
cutthroat competition from discount houses such as Best Buy, which 
purchase CDs from manufacturers for about $10.80 and often sell them
for less than $10 to lure customers in to buy other products such as 
electronic equipment..."

"In a regulatory filing, Tower said it also would close or sell its 
operations in Canada."
mcnally
response 27 of 106: Mark Unseen   Jun 27 05:19 UTC 2001

  Depeche Mode still sells enough records to be counted as a substantial
  influence over slumping record sales?
mcnally
response 28 of 106: Mark Unseen   Jul 1 05:50 UTC 2001

  I went out record shopping yesterday with a walletful of cash,
  determined to buy several albums I'd borrowed from the library
  and enjoyed..  I found several of the albums I'd intended to 
  pick up, as well as several other interesting-looking possibilities,
  but I wound up leaving the store empty-handed -- I just couldn't
  bring myself to pay what the store was asking for the CDs.

  The least-expected I'd selected was priced at $16.99, and a couple
  of my selections were $18.99 for a single new CD.  If I'd gone to
  a store like Best Buy instead of the independent record store at
  which I'd been shopping, I probably could have saved a dollar or
  two per disc, but I doubt I could've brought myself to buy most of
  my selections even at a "mere" $15.99 per CD.  The area where I live
  in Washington state has an 8.6% sales tax, so a $17.99 CD costs me
  almost $20.00 total..

  Back when new CDs were routinely priced in the $11.99 - $12.99 range,
  I used to go to the record store and come home with 7 or 8 new purchases
  every couple of weeks.  It wasn't unusual for me to buy 100 to 150 new
  records a year in those days.  Nowadays, though, I can't clearly remember
  the last time I left a record store with more than three full-length
  releases, and I've probably purchased less than 20 new albums so far this
  year.  It's true that my purchases have slowed partly because I've already
  collected a lot of the albums I wanted, but even these days, when I rarely
  try out new artists because I don't want to take a $20 gamble, there's
  still a backlog of music on my "I really ought to buy that.." list.
  At the current rate, however, most of the entries on that list are going
  to remain there indefinitely.  If the RIAA wants to know why record sales
  are dropping, my best guess is that they're pricing most people out of 
  trying new music..

krj
response 29 of 106: Mark Unseen   Jul 1 15:04 UTC 2001

Not directly related, but I did want to mention it:  amazon.com seems to 
have moved to selling most CDs at list price.   They proudly mention
that they are throwing in free shipping on most orders, though.
krj
response 30 of 106: Mark Unseen   Jul 1 15:37 UTC 2001

From the June 15th promotional e-mail from the NorthSide label, which
specializes in issuing Scandinavian folk & folk-related music for the 
North American market: 
 
> At the same time, we're dealing with growing problems
> at U.S. record retail, so unless you're one of the
> lucky few that has a great independent record store
> in your town, be sure to visit our website often
> and take advantage of our secure server to buy direct.

They did not elaborate on what those problems were.
ashke
response 31 of 106: Mark Unseen   Jul 1 17:56 UTC 2001

No wonder I stopped buying albums.  I went and bought a few at Best Buy,
becuase they were on sale having just come out (one of them being Exciter by
Depeche mode) and one that managed to be $6.99 (A band called Saliva) and was
thrilled and had to put 2 others back but bought 3.  I was amazed.  A lot of
the releases I want to get, Musicals, old Hair Bands, my eclectic tastes, I
can't.  And some wonder why I used Napster.  Thpppt.  I would buy a LOT more
cd's if they were back around the $10 side rather than the $20 side.  A LOT
more.
bmoran
response 32 of 106: Mark Unseen   Jul 6 02:12 UTC 2001

The new Afro Celt 3 was on the shelf @ Borders for 18.99 last week, so I
added it to my wish list and left. This week it's on sale for 12.99, so I
got it. Whenever I hear something new, I'll almost always try out Encore
Records to see if someone else paid full price and didn't like it. That's
how I got AfroCelt's 2nd disk for 8.00.
krj
response 33 of 106: Mark Unseen   Jul 26 21:33 UTC 2001

Rotten to the core...  An LA Times story, and a NewMediaMusic story
derived from it, reporting allegations that some major labels are 
rigging the SoundScan charts:
 
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-000057351jul13.story
http://www.newmediamusic.com/articles/NM01070298.html
 
The scam is pretty elementary.  The major label hires an independent
promoter.  The independent promoter gives a bunch of free promo discs
to a CD store which reports to SoundScan and has the CD store employees
scan the free discs multiple times.  The CD store then gets to sell
the free discs at normal price.  Since the discs were not bought at
wholesale, the retail price becomes pure profit to the store.
The artist is screwed because, as free promo discs are involved,
no royalties are paid.
 
Soundscan itself is exasperated.  "'The labels pay us to run a system 
that delivers an accurate sales count,' (soundscan exec) Shalett said.
'What's the point of them paying somebody else to mess 
with it?  It's insane.'"
 
NewMediaMusic suggests that the scam is motivated by internal record
company politics; people who stand to be fired if a release they are 
responsible for performs poorly.
orinoco
response 34 of 106: Mark Unseen   Jul 26 21:38 UTC 2001

Curiouser and curiouser....

I've given up on thinking that any given development will be the last straw
that will turn people against the music industry: there have been far too many
last straws already, and we're apathetic and cranky, but we still buy from
them.  Still, I'd have fun following this if it became a big scandal; I'm
rooting for it just for that.
dbratman
response 35 of 106: Mark Unseen   Jul 27 16:44 UTC 2001

Options for obtaining music from somewhere other than "the music 
industry" (a pretty broad term) are currently somewhat limited, and 
require some hefty searching and self-starting.  Sure, folks tried to 
bypass it, but ...
orinoco
response 36 of 106: Mark Unseen   Aug 18 18:28 UTC 2001

The State Street Harmony House in Ann Arbor seems to have bitten, or to be
in the act of biting, the dust.  They have a 'for rent' sign in their window.
tpryan
response 37 of 106: Mark Unseen   Aug 19 15:49 UTC 2001

        So State Street is where the Harmoney House was hidding?
krj
response 38 of 106: Mark Unseen   Aug 20 16:37 UTC 2001

Yeah.  I think everyone in the Grex music conference who commented on 
the Harmony House store wondered what the heck they thought they were 
doing, putting a mall-quality CD store, which could compete on neither
price nor selection, in the State & Liberty area.
otaking
response 39 of 106: Mark Unseen   Aug 21 04:05 UTC 2001

Yeah. The only time I went to Harmony House to shop was when I was looking
for a "Top 10" soundtrack. I decided after one visit to never shop there
again.
mcnally
response 40 of 106: Mark Unseen   Aug 22 10:02 UTC 2001

  So for those of us who aren't in Ann Arbor any longer but are
  still keeping score, what's left?
scott
response 41 of 106: Mark Unseen   Aug 22 12:05 UTC 2001

Well, now, let's see:
Borders, of course.  Discount Records is still standing.  There's that weird
used CD place over on the other side of campus with the CDs in the huge locked
glass cases; they sell a fair amount of new CDs.  Schoolkids in Exile still
there.
krj
response 42 of 106: Mark Unseen   Aug 22 16:52 UTC 2001

And Encore, Wazoo and PJs.
 
I've found that my shopping for new CDs at stores has collapsed.
For new CDs, I'm shopping only at Borders, Elderly Instruments 
in Lansing, and very occasionally at Schoolkids-in-the-Basement.  
Schoolkids is limited both in stock and in hours open, so I haven't been
going there much.

My rough guess is that I'm buying maybe 1/4 of what I used to buy
in the local new shops.  For a lot of what I want, it's not 
even worth the time to check Borders: obscure folk/world 
and classical CDs just aren't being stocked much in Ann Arbor any more.

I miss being able to wander out either from home or work to browse 
through bins of CDs, but it seems that era has ended.
dbratman
response 43 of 106: Mark Unseen   Aug 22 21:39 UTC 2001

Browsing through web sites just isn't the same.

For that matter, browsing through CDs wasn't the same as browsing 
through LPs.  Not only was it physically easier to flip through the 
LPs, but (at least in classical) they had liner notes on the back that 
could help you decide whether to buy something you didn't know.

I've been tempted, on occasion, to slit open CD wrappers in the shop so 
as to read the booklet.  I'd buy a lot more CDs if I could.  In this 
respect, the web is a slight improvement.  Not much, but a little.
orinoco
response 44 of 106: Mark Unseen   Aug 23 17:37 UTC 2001

Most used stores let you do just that.  
dbratman
response 45 of 106: Mark Unseen   Aug 24 16:59 UTC 2001

New CDs, Dan, new CDs.  Used ones don't even have wrappers.

Some new-CD stores will indeed let you do that.  But I can't imagine 
making that request of the drones who staff my Tower's classical 
department.
tpryan
response 46 of 106: Mark Unseen   Aug 24 22:11 UTC 2001

        Borders has a new, different kind of listening station in 
the newly opened stores...a way to listen in a multitude of CDs 
from one place, instead of only 5 at a time.
scott
response 47 of 106: Mark Unseen   Aug 25 15:30 UTC 2001

Van Morrison, "Moondance".

One of the true classics...
krj
response 48 of 106: Mark Unseen   Sep 14 02:58 UTC 2001

At the Frandor Mall in Lansing yesterday, I unexpectedly stumbled 
over a new Michigan Where House Records outlet.  (This is the locally-
owned small chain which used to operate campus stores in East Lansing
and Ann Arbor, not the California-based chain with the similar name.)
Alas, it's beyond easy walking distance from my office, but I will 
have to stop in there and see if their stock is interesting enough
to merit any business.  If anyone is looking for it: the store
is just to the east of Bollert's Ace Hardware.
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