|
Grex > Cinema > #60: *<*<*<*<*< AT THE MOVIES >*>*>*>*>* |  |
|
| Author |
Message |
| 25 new of 306 responses total. |
tod
|
|
response 238 of 306:
| 
Mar 3 19:58 UTC 2004 |
This response has been erased.
|
aruba
|
|
response 239 of 306:
|
Mar 3 20:20 UTC 2004 |
A passion play is a re-encatment of the Christ story. There is a village in
southern Germany called Oberamergau, which, through some twist of fate, was
spared being hit by the plague in the 1300s. Ever since, in thanks to God,
they enact a big huge passion play every year. It's a big tourist
attraction, I gather.
The movie "Triplets of Belleville" doesn't specify where Belleville is, but
it's certainly on the seacoast, and it has a statue that looks like a short,
fat version of the Statue of Liberty in the harbor. So draw your own
conclusions.
|
salad
|
|
response 240 of 306:
|
Mar 3 20:40 UTC 2004 |
The airport in belleville sucks compared to the one in Trenton
|
twenex
|
|
response 241 of 306:
|
Mar 3 21:03 UTC 2004 |
Passion plays originated in mediaeval times, not in the 1930s.
|
tpryan
|
|
response 242 of 306:
|
Mar 3 21:04 UTC 2004 |
Sorry have to skip over 55 responses in 3 days.
|
tod
|
|
response 243 of 306:
|
Mar 3 21:04 UTC 2004 |
This response has been erased.
|
jmsaul
|
|
response 244 of 306:
|
Mar 3 22:19 UTC 2004 |
(They're an older tradition than that, but Tod's right about how they were
used.)
|
tod
|
|
response 245 of 306:
|
Mar 4 00:37 UTC 2004 |
This response has been erased.
|
jmsaul
|
|
response 246 of 306:
|
Mar 4 23:51 UTC 2004 |
>Jews kidnapped and murdered Christian children
> in ritual sacrifice; the blood of pure Christians was needed by Jews to
> make matzoh.
This seems like a ridiculous and archaic rumor, but it's been published in
the Arab press within the past few years. So this crap isn't dead.
|
twenex
|
|
response 247 of 306:
|
Mar 4 23:52 UTC 2004 |
if there's anywhere this crap ain't dead, it's in what the (comedic ) Prince
Regent (in Blackadder) called "Jolly Arab Land".
|
tod
|
|
response 248 of 306:
|
Mar 4 23:53 UTC 2004 |
This response has been erased.
|
richard
|
|
response 249 of 306:
|
Mar 5 03:20 UTC 2004 |
Hey Starsky and Hutch is opening tomorrow, with Ben Stiller as Starsky and
Owen Wilson as Hutch-- TV Land is even having a Starsky and Hutch marathon
tonight. That was one of the campier tv shows of the mid/late seventies. The
movie is getting good revies, and yes, Paul Michael Glaser and David Soul--
the REAL Starsky and Hutch-- get cameos
|
richard
|
|
response 250 of 306:
|
Mar 7 07:11 UTC 2004 |
Okay I finally saw The Passion of the Christ today at the multiplex
(Starsky and Hutch was sold out, so I figured what the hell) The movie is
well made and the special effects and makeup were great. That sure looked
like a REAL scourging to me. Jim Caviezel also puts in an oscar-worthy
performance as Jesus-- I read that he suffered hypothermia, a dislocated
shoulder and a lung infection during filming, and after seeing the movie I
can believe it.
I am worried about what the reaction will be to this film. The punishment
that Jesus endured and the crucifixion is so violent and so vivid and so
intense in this movie that I think some people could get worked up seeing
it to a point where they go looking to make acts of vengeance. I guess
Mel Gibson's point in emphasizing and making as explicit as possible the
scourging and torture of Jesus was to make Christians watching it feel the
proper (in the catholic view, of which Gibson is a catholic) sense of
guilt. But some people won't feel guilt. They'll feel anger. This is the
sort of film that Hitler, had it been made in the thirties, could have
used to stir up support for the Holocaust.
I am not sure therefore that it was necessary for Gibson to so explicitly
show the way Jesus was beaten. Viewers are smart enough to get the point
without being beaten over the head with it. Did we really need to watch
Jesus violently whipped, with the flesh coming off his back in chunks, for
twenty minutes? It was gratuitous, the sort of excess that is meant to
incite.
I'd rather have seen more flashback scenes with Jesus and the Disciples,
and more development of the other characters, like Judas and Mary
Magdalene. I also think that both the Romans and the Jews come off
looking really badly here. There were good Romans and good Jews, but the
sense you are given here is that the Romans were clueless thugs, and the
Jewish rabbis were conceited and arrogant. And when you see the ground
shaking after Jesus dies, and the rabbis who pronounced judgement and the
romans who carried it out suddenly are wide eyed with the fear of God and
run terrified for cover, the sense you are given is that they are getting
what they deserved. That they deserved vengeance. In spite of what Jesus
repeatedly says of, "forgive them, they know not what they do", the movie
shows them in such a bad light that they are the bad guys and you want the
ground to open up and swallow them. I heard a couple of people in the
back applaud when the black crow shows up and pecks out the eyes of the
guy on the cross next to Jesus who had been dissing him. He was getting
his. Vengeance not compassion. This is the problem I have with the
movie-- instead of concentrating more on who Jesus was and what he was
teaching, this movie mostly wants to show in gory detail his beating,
torture and death in order to incite emotions.
I didn't like this movie for the same reason I don't like hard porn
movies-- they show "the act" in too much detail and for too long at the
expense of character development and story telling.
|
richard
|
|
response 251 of 306:
|
Mar 7 07:31 UTC 2004 |
Last week there was a picture in the paper of a class of kids from a local
catholic high school marching down the sidewalk in their uniforms, on a school
sponsored field trip to see the movie. This movie was so violent, so
gratuitous, that it really should have carried an NC-17 rating. I find it
ironic that many of the same church leaders who scream about tv and movies
being too violent, and wouldn't want their kids going to the next Friday the
13th or Nightmare on Elm Street movie, let them see this. This was more
violent, and had more bloodshed than any movie I ever saw Jason or Freddy
Krueger in!
|
mary
|
|
response 252 of 306:
|
Mar 7 13:02 UTC 2004 |
This response has been erased.
|
mary
|
|
response 253 of 306:
|
Mar 7 13:09 UTC 2004 |
I suggest that those folks who are getting their panties in a bunch
over this piece of fiction should go see Judgement at Nuremberg, Shoah, or
Schindler's List. Then we can have a real talk about religious hate
crimes depicted on film.
|
jmsaul
|
|
response 254 of 306:
|
Mar 7 14:22 UTC 2004 |
I'm not sure what point you're trying to maje, Mary.
|
jmsaul
|
|
response 255 of 306:
|
Mar 7 14:22 UTC 2004 |
(Um, "make".)
|
jor
|
|
response 256 of 306:
|
Mar 7 14:47 UTC 2004 |
"This is the sort of film that Hitler,
had it been made in the thirties,
could have used to stir up support
for the Holocaust."
I appreciate Richard's remark, it helped
me understand why some people think the
film is anti-Semetic.
|
bru
|
|
response 257 of 306:
|
Mar 7 22:20 UTC 2004 |
you could also use it to stir up anti-italian (roman) sentiments. Or anti
Caucasian sentiments. Take your pick.
The same could be said about J.C. Superstar. Or Quo Vadis. Or the Robe.
If you want propaganda, pick a film and put your spin on it. Eall it to the
people you want to influence, adn off you go.
|
twenex
|
|
response 258 of 306:
|
Mar 7 22:21 UTC 2004 |
Roger-rabbit is anti-authority!
|
anderyn
|
|
response 259 of 306:
|
Mar 8 14:49 UTC 2004 |
I agree that the whipping scene was far too much. But something that you may
have missed, Richard, in all the spectacle, was the emphasis Gibson put on
Jesus' own willingness to be there. It was His choice. He knew it would
happen and chose to allow it. So there's no vengeance to be taken since He
could have stopped it at any time.
|
twenex
|
|
response 260 of 306:
|
Mar 8 14:51 UTC 2004 |
Stockholm syndrome.
|
tod
|
|
response 261 of 306:
|
Mar 8 16:10 UTC 2004 |
This response has been erased.
|
novomit
|
|
response 262 of 306:
|
Mar 8 19:27 UTC 2004 |
I wonder how many people left the theatre with tears in their eyes . . . this
was what Gibson was trying to do, right? Give everyone a sense of the
sacrifice that was made . . .
|