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gelinas
response 231 of 292: Mark Unseen   Nov 21 23:37 UTC 1999

It just happened again:

be played on the 3d: It would interfere with Monday Night Football.
Or be confused with it.)  So again not a good day for collegs
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~                            than   ho    rCcg.


Note the tildes.  My cursor jumped from trying to enter the final 'e' in
college to a spot six lines down, with random text added as displayed.

I wonder what would have happened had I been typing in one of the other
telnet windows I had open at the time?

As before, the session hung until Grex closed it.
gelinas
response 232 of 292: Mark Unseen   Nov 22 01:18 UTC 1999

Some additional comments:

I've been using my ISDN line since last November or December.  The only 
thing that has changed is that I now use grex instead of confer.itd.umich.edu
for my conferencing.  Selective memory may be in play, but I really don't
remember seeing this kind of problem before I started using grex.
drew
response 233 of 292: Mark Unseen   Nov 22 21:20 UTC 1999

I'm getting GOT errors and trashed participation files again.
krj
response 234 of 292: Mark Unseen   Nov 22 21:32 UTC 1999

Out of disk space again:
 
/dev/sd2h             842574  748646    9671    99%    /c
/dev/sd1c            1944365 1749411     518   100%    /a
davel
response 235 of 292: Mark Unseen   Nov 23 14:07 UTC 1999

Re 231: Looks like part of someone's vi session, somewhere.
pfv
response 236 of 292: Mark Unseen   Nov 23 18:38 UTC 1999

Been an interesting morning - verio.net has twice fubared the routing into
grex.. Here's the latest "wtf?":

 traceroute grex.org
traceroute to grex.org (204.212.46.130), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
 1  as1-nmc.gylr.mi.voyager.net (216.93.16.131)  166.663 ms  169.280 ms
169.717 ms
 2  gld-router-pool.freeway.net (208.137.20.254)  169.105 ms  169.477 ms
159.741 ms
 3  216.93.15.61 (216.93.15.61)  179.115 ms  259.464 ms  179.715 ms
 4  rtr1-ethX-X.mnpl.mi.voyager.net (209.153.156.65)  179.366 ms  249.469
ms  289.710 ms
 5  rtr1-ser3-0-9-0.lnng.mi.voyager.net (209.153.151.17)  329.174 ms
289.448 ms  269.706 ms
 6  border1-hssi16-0.arb.qual.net (198.87.206.1)  299.168 ms  289.464 ms
279.710 ms
 7  border1-hssi3-0.dtw.qual.net (131.103.4.5)  289.175 ms  189.480 ms
209.693 ms
 8  serial1-1.csr0.cv.oh.verio.net (131.103.4.18)  209.181 ms  219.471 ms
199.705 ms
 9  serial1-0.csr8.or.il.verio.net (131.103.5.1)  219.175 ms  219.448 ms
229.729 ms
10  ord0-0.qualnet-0.verio.net (129.250.16.78)  249.164 ms  239.469 ms
319.709 ms
11  ord0-0.qualnet-0.verio.net (129.250.16.78)  269.146 ms  239.462 ms
229.765 ms
12  ord0-0.qualnet-0.verio.net (129.250.16.78)  289.090 ms  289.485 ms
259.712 ms
13  ord0-0.qualnet-0.verio.net (129.250.16.78)  309.144 ms  289.478 ms
359.696 ms
14  ord0-0.qualnet-0.verio.net (129.250.16.78)  299.142 ms  339.465 ms *
15  ord0-0.qualnet-0.verio.net (129.250.16.78)  399.525 ms  399.464 ms
349.706 ms
16  * ord0-0.qualnet-0.verio.net (129.250.16.78)  369.888 ms  449.500 ms
17  * ord0-0.qualnet-0.verio.net (129.250.16.78)  509.894 ms  449.465 ms
18  * ord0-0.qualnet-0.verio.net (129.250.16.78)  489.888 ms *
19  * * grex.cyberspace.org (204.212.46.130)  409.898 ms

gelinas
response 237 of 292: Mark Unseen   Nov 24 01:43 UTC 1999

re: #235: Yes, #231 records _my_ vi session, up until the s in "collegs" and
following, which was popped in from . . . somewhere.  It is another example
of a recurring problem that I believe to be limited to grex.
gelinas
response 238 of 292: Mark Unseen   Nov 24 03:16 UTC 1999

OK, folks, here it is:

>Back to vans.  It looks like the choices are 1999 Dodge 1500 (Transedan or
>Sapphire) and 1999 Cheverolet Express 1500.  We've taken both for
>familiarisation drives (not extensiv added an HTML version of the judge's
rulin
g.  It's at

                  <a
href="http://www.cyberspace.org/lawsuit/injunction.html">ht
tp://www.cyberspace.org/lawsuit/injunction.html</a>
                                                   </PRE><br clear=all><hr>

#267
of 300 by Jan Wolter (<a href=/cgi-bin/bt/vanilla/bio?login=janc>janc</a>) on
Fr
i Jul 30 00:44:57 1999:<p>
                          <PRE>A couple notes on where things stand and where
th
ey are going, as I
                  understand it.

                                What we have now is a "preliminary
injunction".
 This prevents
              enforcement of the law until further rulings.  It is *not* a
rulin
g that
      the law is unconstitutional.  It is just a ruling that says that the

likeli
hood of the law being found unconstitutional is high enough that
                                                                people
shouldn't
 be prosecuted under it until it has been examined
                                                  further.

                                                          The ruling is quite
sa
tisfactory - Judge Tarnow appears to have pretty
                                                much accepted all the ACLU's
rea
soning, and even added some arguments
                                     against the law that they didn't make.


Thing
s do not end here.  Lots of different things could happen next, but
                                                                   the most
like
ly

gelinas
response 239 of 292: Mark Unseen   Nov 24 03:22 UTC 1999

And it happened again:

>Cutting and pasting from window to another caused re-wrapping, but it iss
>QUstand that part about "there are still some males who believe
                                                                that lesbians..
." - could you explain what you meant there, Sonja?
                                                   </PRE><br clear=all><hr>
                                                                           #6
                                       of
 12 by Sweet Pea (<a href=/cgi-bin/bt/vanilla/bio?login=simcha>simcha</a>) on
 Tu
e Dec 27 08:14:31 1994:<p>
                          <PRE>Wow, are there a lot of women out there who must
be going out (read:
                    sleeping with) the wrong men!  I have never had trouble
                    with
 my "civil
          rights" in bed!  Im very mainstream,a nd believe that if you make
          your

bed, you lie in it for any o

} I took time to rewrap the above to match what appeared on my screen.  In
} at least the first instance, it is very clear that it is something from
} grex.  I suspect the second is also recognisable (by some here) as being
} from grex.
scg
response 240 of 292: Mark Unseen   Nov 24 05:06 UTC 1999

Hmm... So it looks like it's either Grex or Grex's routers.  I just turned
off header compression on Grex's ISDN link, and also rebooted the Pipeline
on Grex's end of it, since it seemed generally confused.  Let me know if the
problem goes away.
gelinas
response 241 of 292: Mark Unseen   Nov 24 05:10 UTC 1999

Actually, I can only let you know when it happens.  ;)
tsty
response 242 of 292: Mark Unseen   Nov 25 08:43 UTC 1999

filled again ...
  
grex.cyberspace.org% df
Filesystem            kbytes    used   avail capacity  Mounted on
/dev/sd0a             109823   71181   27660    72%    /
/dev/sd0d             156783  131196    9909    93%    /usr
/dev/sd0e             706783  625481   10624    98%    /usr/local
/dev/sd0f             471183  211699  212366    50%    /x
/dev/sd2e             699223  565503   63798    90%    /var
/dev/sd4h            1952573  861289  896027    49%    /var/spool/mail
/dev/sd0h             284215  229821   25973    90%    /bbs
/dev/sd2a              31023   12073   15848    43%    /rootbak
/dev/sd2d              31023   12871   15050    46%    /suidbin
/dev/sd2f              62863     588   55989     1%    /tmp
/dev/sd2h             842574  750399    7918    99%    /c
/dev/sd1c            1944365 1720330   29599    98%    /a
g
  
otaking
response 243 of 292: Mark Unseen   Nov 28 18:23 UTC 1999

When I tried to access my inbox in pine, I got an error message telling me
that no such file existed.
sno
response 244 of 292: Mark Unseen   Dec 1 03:36 UTC 1999

I've finally figured out the problems I've been having with backspace on
grex.  Frankly, I'm surprised that the basic configuration inquiry does
not automatically create a default file that simply includes the line:

tset -Q -e<backspace>

whatever that character might be.  Since the newuser scripts *do* ask
what to use for backspace, it would seem appropriate to modify the
users .profile or .login to include this line.

The difficulty stems from the fact that a simple stty erase <backspace>
does not propagate to bbs.  It's beyond me why.  bbs fails to 
inherit TTY settings within its environment and I've been fighting with
it ever since.  So tonight I bashed and brooded over it until I came
to this solution.  Perhaps my effort will help other Linux users be
able to use the grex system with less difficulty.

gelinas
response 245 of 292: Mark Unseen   Dec 1 04:12 UTC 1999

Hmm... My .login says:

if ($?prompt) then
        stty intr '^C' kill '^U' erase '^H'

I don't know why it chose ^H, but that's the right choice for me.  Maybe
because of the check newuser did?
mcnally
response 246 of 292: Mark Unseen   Dec 1 05:32 UTC 1999

  You (gelinas) use csh and sno apparently uses bash (an sh variant..)
gelinas
response 247 of 292: Mark Unseen   Dec 1 05:50 UTC 1999

That's what he meant by 'bashed'. :/
cmcgee
response 248 of 292: Mark Unseen   Dec 3 02:40 UTC 1999

Hope this reboot solves the "few seconds to connect" problem.  It's been
taking more than 80 seconds.
orinoco
response 249 of 292: Mark Unseen   Dec 3 04:36 UTC 1999

it went much faster for me this time than it has been going recently.  
sno
response 250 of 292: Mark Unseen   Dec 3 17:38 UTC 1999

I just experienced an annoying flaw in the idle time manager.  While
composing a response offline, I saw both the 15 minute idle warning
and the 5 minute boot off message simultaneously.  The warning would
have been nice since I was still present and accountable and could
have easily reset the counter with a keypress.
orinoco
response 251 of 292: Mark Unseen   Dec 3 18:14 UTC 1999

....ooop, and now it's dragging again.
gelinas
response 252 of 292: Mark Unseen   Dec 4 06:09 UTC 1999

} Respond, pass, forget, quit, or ? for more options? !df .
} Filesystem            kbytes    used   avail capacity  Mounted on
} /dev/sd1c            1944365 1749828     101   100%    /a
katie
response 253 of 292: Mark Unseen   Dec 4 09:45 UTC 1999

Yeah, for a while there I couldn't send mail because it was full and I
have no children. Whatever that means. Plus I couldn't enter responses
because of all the fullness.
spooked
response 254 of 292: Mark Unseen   Dec 4 11:20 UTC 1999

We are getting a new disk added, but STeve is busy with other committments
at the moment.  He will add it he assures staff when he's finished with his
other work (which hopefully won't be too long down the track).  Please be
patient until then (staff are well aware of the problem).
davel
response 255 of 292: Mark Unseen   Dec 4 14:11 UTC 1999

Somebody explain the facts of life to Katie ...
8-{)]
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