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rcurl
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response 231 of 331:
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Mar 1 18:33 UTC 2006 |
"Prostitution is a very seamy, dark business in which the youngest and
the most innocent are in the most demand. Children are brought into
prostitution by being misled, by being given addicting drugs, or by
straightforward abduction. They're used up and discarded when they're
too old and broken to be fun any more. They don't keep any of the
money they bring in. If they manage to escape, they are tracked down
and forced to go back, or they are killed. I think you'd have to be
pretty naive (or pretty callous) to want to legalize prostitution."
Prostitution is, where it is legalized, not a "very seamy, dark business",
unless your are a prude.
The argument that because there are illegalities associated with
prostitution it should be outlawed (not just regulated) is parallel to
suggesting that we could cut down on bank robberies by outlawing banks.
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nharmon
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response 232 of 331:
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Mar 1 18:37 UTC 2006 |
> We could cut down on bank robberies by outlawing banks.
Are you suggesting we couldn't?
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edina
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response 233 of 331:
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Mar 1 18:39 UTC 2006 |
My opinions about prostitution are, I'll admit, incredibly personal. Would
I myself want to be a prostitute? No. Would I want my mother/sister/daughter
to be a prostitute? No. Do I think badly of women/men who are prostitutes?
I feel sorry for them.
I don't think I'm a prude - I just think that even though some women will say
that it is empowering and their choice (and I'd lay odds it's a small
percentage) - I don't think that deep down they believe that.
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richard
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response 234 of 331:
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Mar 1 18:39 UTC 2006 |
Is prostitution a "seamy dark business" when you are at a five star hotel in
europe and you order a "massage", knowing full well that the service offered
is a lot more than just a backrub?
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edina
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response 235 of 331:
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Mar 1 18:40 UTC 2006 |
Richard, would you want your wife or daughter to be a prostitute? How about
your son? (If you have them.)
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slynne
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response 236 of 331:
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Mar 1 18:46 UTC 2006 |
resp:222
From National Survey on Drug Use and Health
http://oas.samhsa.gov/nhsda.htm
2004 - persons 12-17
8,249,000 report having used tobacco products at least once in their
lifetimes
10,596,000 report having used alcohol at least once in their lifetimes
7,566,000 report having used any illicit drug at least once in their
lifetimes
4,788,000 report having used marijuana at least once in their lifetimes
It think we can make guesses about how available each substance is based
on it's use. It looks like alcohol and tobacco are much more available
than any illicit drugs. I dont know how much of an effect the legal
status of the substance has though.
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tod
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response 237 of 331:
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Mar 1 18:46 UTC 2006 |
re #211
It certainly would keep guys like Limbaugh and O'Reilly out of trouble.
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richard
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response 238 of 331:
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Mar 1 18:48 UTC 2006 |
re #235 edina no I would't, but then again whether I personally think someone
*should* be a prostitute is a different question than whether I think they
ought to have the right to make that decision themselves.
Put it this way edina, if some guy offered you $500 to have sex with him,
should it be your choice whether or not to do so, or the government's. I
think it should be your choice.
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rcurl
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response 239 of 331:
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Mar 1 18:52 UTC 2006 |
Re #233: what is the difference in your mind between the considerable
consensual sexual activity that occurs between consenting adults with no
intention to marry, which is legal, with legalized prostitution? In
prostitution a person is paid and in dalliances persons are also usually
treated well during the affair. One is more of a hobby and the other more
of a profession. But what is the significant difference that draws a line
between the two in your mind?
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richard
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response 240 of 331:
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Mar 1 18:52 UTC 2006 |
The same arguments apply to prostitution as apply to abortion being legal or
illegal. Should the government be able to decide what a woman, or a man, does
with their bodies?
In fact the whole prostitution argument is sexist, if prostitution was limited
to male gigolos, it wouldn't be illegal. Because nobody thinks its wrong for
a man to have sex with a thousand women.
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tod
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response 241 of 331:
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Mar 1 18:53 UTC 2006 |
I pay and get screwed by my government all the time.
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slynne
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response 242 of 331:
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Mar 1 18:54 UTC 2006 |
I think that there are a lot of advantages to a legal but well regulated
prostitution industry. Age limits could be enforced. Sex workers could
be routinely checked for venereal disease. Stuff like that. But I dont
think having a legal prostitution industry will stop illegal
prostitution.
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richard
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response 243 of 331:
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Mar 1 18:58 UTC 2006 |
If a guy gets five girls to pay him to have sex with them, he gets called a
stud.
If a girl does the same thing, she's called a whore.
The stigmatazation of prostitution is because most of the "sex workers" are
female.
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jep
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response 244 of 331:
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Mar 1 19:03 UTC 2006 |
Oh, I'll apologize. Richard, I am sorry you have no integrity, make up
obviously false things and cite them as facts, and can't back up what
you say. I said before that I am sorry to feel that you have no
credibility.
When I make a guess, I say it's a guess and cite whatever it was that
led me to make that guess.
As I demonstrated in another item today, you just make stuff up and
pretend it's established fact, even if it's completely obvious that
it's not true. As a result, I am more inclined to question something
simply because you've said it. It might be convincing to cite anti-
facts, as in, "Richard said X, therefore we know that isn't true".
Why don't you wake up to what you're doing, instead of blaming me? I'm
not the one making you look bad.
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happyboy
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response 245 of 331:
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Mar 1 19:12 UTC 2006 |
re217: american gigalo is a MOVIE richard.
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richard
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response 246 of 331:
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Mar 1 19:12 UTC 2006 |
jep I wasn't making up anything. If you or I or anyone honestly state
something thinking it was true, and find out later it wasn't, that is NOT
lacking integrity. You state something as a fact, which you did about me,
when you have no basis for it, you are lying. That IS a lack of integrity.
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jep
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response 247 of 331:
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Mar 1 19:34 UTC 2006 |
I demonstrated what I said about you, Richard, as you know.
It seems to me that edina and I have about the same opinions about
prostitition.
I pretty well agree with slynne, too. I'd much rather have legal,
regulated and safe prostitution than the organized crime dominated
atrocity that we have now. Legalization wouldn't end the problems we
have. I don't see it as making things much worse, though.
Regardless of it's legal status, I don't plan on visiting any whore
houses. I will do what I can to keep my wife, stepdaughters, and other
female relatives out of that occupation.
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happyboy
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response 248 of 331:
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Mar 1 19:36 UTC 2006 |
even if it means shootin 'em?
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jep
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response 249 of 331:
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Mar 1 19:37 UTC 2006 |
No, happyboy. I cannot shoot my relatives.
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richard
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response 250 of 331:
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Mar 1 19:39 UTC 2006 |
re #247 you didnt demonstrate a damn thing jep. You certainly didnt
demonstrate that I deliberately lied about anything. You act as if it isa
crime to misinterpret something or be misinformed about something. Every damn
thing I posted was done so honestly, and you have no right to accuse otherwise
without backing it up which you can't.
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nharmon
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response 251 of 331:
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Mar 1 19:44 UTC 2006 |
Could you two take this to the vomit conference and work things out
there?
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tod
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response 252 of 331:
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Mar 1 19:46 UTC 2006 |
It is regulated in Nevada. Is it any "better" that way?
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marcvh
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response 253 of 331:
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Mar 1 19:47 UTC 2006 |
I did a thorough research by watching HBO's series "Cathouse" and comparing
it with the HBO documentary "Atlantic City Hos" and I'd say yes.
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edina
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response 254 of 331:
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Mar 1 19:49 UTC 2006 |
Thank you for you expert opinion, Mr. VanHeyningen.
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bru
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response 255 of 331:
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Mar 1 19:49 UTC 2006 |
I am completely taken aback!
I now know tha trichard and Rcurl both live in a fantasy world. Both site
as fact statements that are completely against human nature.
People in europe prefer older woman as prostitutes. WRONG! As a matter of
scientific fact, both sexes prefer younger partners for sexual activity. It
is part of human nature, wired directly into the brain. Smooth, supple, skin
over taut muscles tell our brain that this is a healthy body, well capable
of concieving children and passing our DNA to the next generation. Nowyou
richard may prefer to have sex with a grandmotherly type, but that is just
an individual preference.
"In fact the whole prostitution argument is sexist, if prostitution was
limited
to male gigolos, it wouldn't be illegal. Because nobody thinks its wrong for
a man to have sex with a thousand women." WRONG! A lot of people think it
is wrong for a man to have sex with many women. I am one such man.
" Prostitution is, where it is legalized, not a "very seamy, dark business",
unless your are a prude." WRONG! Where do you think so many of those
prostitutes in europe come from? why is there an underground movement in
europe to kidnap young women and sell them into slavery as prostitutes? Why
is there such a high value market for virgins? Why is organized crime so
deeply involved in prostitution in various parts of the world?
Prostitution is by and large a degrading business that takes young women,
offers them easy money, breaks them, passes on disease among them, removes
their self esteem, offers them drugs to forget and turns them into broken
human beings. The sexual revolution aside, which is a good thing,
prostitution is a known ans well documented evil that even liberated women
generally recognize as such.
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