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slynne
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response 23 of 76:
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Mar 16 02:50 UTC 2006 |
I have a friend whose kids really like Emergen-C but that is because of
all the sugar in it. I havent ever tried it myself but I will admit that
sometimes when I am sick and whiney, I take large doses of vitamin C
even though I know there isnt really any proof that it makes a cold go
away faster so I can understand the inclination to have something like
that around. It might not make my cold go away faster but it makes me
feel less helpless and it makes me feel better in the same way that soup
or tea does.
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rcurl
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response 24 of 76:
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Mar 16 06:31 UTC 2006 |
A Nobel winner also thought magadoses of vitamin C would cure colds. A
controlled experiment has been done, and no significant effect was observed.
Re #19: we were already being scrupulously clean and sanitizing, and did not
change those procedures during my experiment.
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khamsun
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response 25 of 76:
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Mar 16 12:05 UTC 2006 |
I don't trust much medical workers as a whole.I know that, according to
molecular density, homeopathic pills are just water.With acupuncture, you get
at least a needle in the skin...
That said, I got one positive experience.
I had developed an allergy to poplar's pollen years ago, and the easiest cure
was to take pills each spring.Much complicated and longer had been a
hyposensitization.As I was fed up with my doctor at the time, I switched into
another one, who was also specialized in acupuncture+homeopathy+osteopathy,
by coincidence.
--> important: I was living in France, and there to get allowed to work as
a physician you must be an accredited M.D.It's a safety: if you're interested
in some "alternative" therapy which scientifical/working status is
controversial, by being in the hands of a M.D. you're supposed to be safe.
Some M.D. are curious about investigating such "alternative" stuff, so they
can get this way guinea-pigs with the limitation that they are fully
accountable on the ethic and scientifical levels.
In short: if they don't cure you with "alternative" magic, they revert to
classical therapies, and if they don't cure you at least they will not kill
you (well, no more than by the traditional means...).
Ok, so she (my then new M.D + multidimensional chinese guru) got to destroy
my allergy in 1/2 year.Mixture of homeopathy, acupuncture and osteapathy.
Since then, never got I troubles with poplar's pollen.
Which made me think: if placebo effects do work so well, why the heck are they
not implemented more by regular M.D.s?
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mary
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response 26 of 76:
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Mar 16 14:05 UTC 2006 |
They are "implemented" by doctors, all the time. Whenever a doctor
prescribes an antibiotic for an viral infection and the patient goes home
and starts feeling better within 24 hours, he or she has demonstrated the
power of the placebo. Of course, there is always the chance that the
virus ran its course over that 24 hours. But those writing the
prescriptions know that simply giving patients a strong, expensive
medicine that the patients expect to work, will work, most of the time.
In fact, how a doctor treats a common viral infection says a lot about
his or her concern for the patient's health as opposed to simply making
someone happy and getting them out of the office queue.
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slynne
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response 27 of 76:
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Mar 16 14:35 UTC 2006 |
I was surprised when I went to see a doctor some time ago for a virus
and he started to write me a Rx for an anti-biotic. I said, "do you
think this isnt a viris?" He didnt answer but then asked me what I
wanted I why I had come there. I said that I wanted something to make
it easier to breathe so he prescribed me some pill that basically had a
time release of an active ingredient in OTC cough syrup (that I cant
spell)
I have to say that I was not filled with confidence in that particular
doctor.
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other
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response 28 of 76:
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Mar 16 14:40 UTC 2006 |
I have exactly one experience with chiropracty. I went to this fellow
whom I already knew and considered to be a very down-to-earth sort (if
the personality of his daughter was to be any measure, it only spoke
good things of him). I've had lower back problms ever since middle
school when I damaged my spine in a gym class accident, although the
damage was unsuspected at the time.
Anyway, the chiroprator gave me an adjustment which made me feel better,
which was fine, but the best part is that using a model spine he had
lying around, he explained in detail what the exact nature of the damage
was. This was the first time in my life (which includes a number of
emergency room visits due to my back going out at odd times and places)
that anyone had ever explained exactly what was wrong, or even attempted
it. Not only that, but his explanation was confirmed in every respect
by an MRI some months later.
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remmers
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response 29 of 76:
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Mar 16 14:59 UTC 2006 |
There are MD's who will take the time to explain what's wrong, e.g. the
specialist I was referred to for lower back problems a few years ago.
He even used a model spine to illustrate.
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mary
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response 30 of 76:
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Mar 16 15:56 UTC 2006 |
I think your back doctor is exceptional in this regard. I mean, isn't he
the one who when a number of his patients reported they were going to
Contours Express (a Curves clone) he took the time to visit the facility
and check out their exercise equipment and routines? That's simply
amazing.
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klg
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response 31 of 76:
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Mar 16 17:28 UTC 2006 |
A recent newspaper article claimed that - in this area at least -
doctors' offices are less busy. Perhaps they are having to pay more
attention to making the customer happy.
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keesan
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response 32 of 76:
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Mar 16 18:34 UTC 2006 |
I can understand how it would help you quit smoking if instead of lighting
a cigarette you made and drank a cup of tea, no matter what was in it.
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happyboy
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response 33 of 76:
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Mar 16 19:14 UTC 2006 |
is the pain back yet, jep?
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rcurl
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response 34 of 76:
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Mar 16 21:09 UTC 2006 |
Re #27: antibiotics don't cure viruses but many viral infections lead to
bacterial infections, which can kill. Perhaps the doctor thought the situation
called for being cautious in this regard. But you knew better, I guess.
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keesan
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response 35 of 76:
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Mar 16 21:15 UTC 2006 |
Indiscriminate use of antibiotics is leading to the development of resistant
strains of bacteria. People take the pills for a few days, feel better, stop
taking them, and only the resistant strains survive this. If they took the
full 7-10 days it would kill the bacteria. Antibiotics also kill off
commensal bacteria, the 'good guys' that help us fight off infections, causing
more problems than the cure.
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tod
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response 36 of 76:
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Mar 16 21:27 UTC 2006 |
re #25
I don't trust much medical workers as a whole
I trust Laura Schlessinger as a hole.
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mary
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response 37 of 76:
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Mar 16 21:30 UTC 2006 |
Some of the doctors who tend to prescribe a lot of antibiotics say it's
because a viral infection is debilitating and leaves a patient open to a
secondary, bacterial infection. They're willing to start treatment "just
in case". But the advice they get from infection control specialists is
that pre-infection antibiotics are not only unnecessary, but prophylactic
antibiotic treatment makes it very difficult to then diagnose the specific
bacteria involved in the event a resistant bacterial infection sets up
house. Too, unnecessary antibiotic use is tending to make the bugs
stronger and more resistant. We now routinely see infections that are
only senstive to one or two of the most powerful and complication-prone
antibiotics.
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mary
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response 38 of 76:
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Mar 16 21:32 UTC 2006 |
Sindi slipped in. I took a "pet the cat" break while entering that
response. ;-) I had no choice in the matter.
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scholar
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response 39 of 76:
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Mar 16 21:33 UTC 2006 |
I'm not a medicineman, and I'm not very familiar with antibiotics, but I
believe that, to preserve the effectiveness of the few potent antibiotics we
have, we ought to enact laws making it some sort of violation to prescribe
them frivolously.
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jadecat
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response 40 of 76:
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Mar 16 21:36 UTC 2006 |
One of the ways I knew I should look for a new GP is when mine- without
seeing me- prescribed a Z-Pack for a sinus headache...
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slynne
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response 41 of 76:
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Mar 16 21:36 UTC 2006 |
resp:34 I simply asked a question. If the doctor was actually worried
about my viral infection leading to a bacterial infection, that was her
opportunity to explain it to me. Unlike a lot of people, I dont think
that doctors never make mistakes nor do I expect them to know
everything. Also, I figure that since I am paying them, I am the person
in the relationship with the power and not them. They are there because
they have more training in health than I have and they are, imho, hired
in a consultant capacity. They get to suggest treatment options and I
get to choose if they are right for me. If they think a particular
treatment is right for me, they should be prepared to explain why it
is. As it happens, I know my body pretty well and I have good reasons
not to want to take anti-biotics unless they are necessary. This doctor
didnt give me any reasons why they might be necessary so I ultimately
went with a different treatment option (which, btw, worked quite well).
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jep
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response 42 of 76:
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Mar 17 15:07 UTC 2006 |
My stepdaughter is still walking on her foot and I see no evidence she
is in any pain. I haven't talked to her about it for a couple of days,
though.
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richard
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response 43 of 76:
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Mar 17 16:05 UTC 2006 |
I wonder how much of her improvement is psychological? He said "you are no
longer in pain" and psychologically she believed it, like a command.
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jadecat
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response 44 of 76:
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Mar 17 16:25 UTC 2006 |
Man, I wish someone would tell me that when I have a migraine.
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jep
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response 45 of 76:
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Mar 17 16:33 UTC 2006 |
How would I know whether the cure was psychological? It is a fact that
for a year, she had constant pain, and for half a week, she has not had
pain. I don't care why this improvement came about. I will do
everything in my power to make sure that it continues.
My stepdaughter thinks God helped her. If anyone were to convince her
that's not possible, and as a result she started hurting again, I would
exhibit violent behavior toward that person. Ya know? I am grateful
that she is feeling better. The rest is details.
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twenex
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response 46 of 76:
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Mar 17 16:35 UTC 2006 |
How would I know whether the cure was psychological? It is a fact that
for a year, she had constant pain, and for half a week, she has not had
pain. I don't care why this improvement came about. I will do
everything in my power to make sure that it continues.
Yeah, sounds all good to me.
My stepdaughter thinks God helped her. If anyone were to convince her
that's not possible, and as a result she started hurting again, I would
exhibit violent behavior toward that person.
Was the matter-of-fact way in which you made that threat MEANT to be chilling?
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jep
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response 47 of 76:
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Mar 17 17:10 UTC 2006 |
Twenex: I am nearly 45 years old. I weigh 240 pounds and there ain't
*none* of it that's muscle. Just how threatening could I be? I could
wipe my Cheetos crumbs onto their coat or something, I suppose.
No person here knows either the first or last name of my stepdaughter.
Oh, I don't doubt that at least half a dozen people here could find
out, but I probably know who all of those people are. None of them has
any ill will toward my stepdaughter.
If you were chilled by my remark, I'm surprised.
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