response 23 of 78:

Jul 10 16:30 UTC 2003

Re #22: I have evidence to the contrary.

Te #21: I didn't say they aren't. The subject was a categorical statement
that kids taking tests in school pray. I am asserting that that is probably
incorrect, especially for kids not indoctrinated into prayer. If they
are not indoctrinated, to what would they pray?

response 25 of 78:

Jul 10 16:58 UTC 2003

        Of course, Hitler's bitterly conservative teachings, not being far
left, were OK.

response 27 of 78:

Jul 11 01:25 UTC 2003

Re original item: what utter Neo-Fascist, reactionary, stupid, unenlightened,
self-serving, conservative, right-wing, bigoted, quasi-religious,
fundamentalist-Christian, Republican shite.

(If there's any rightwingers who don't feel insulted yet, sorry i missed you
out).

Reasoned rebuttal to follow.

response 29 of 78:

Jul 11 01:56 UTC 2003

To whom it may concern?

response 31 of 78:

Jul 11 11:56 UTC 2003

One also has to "indoctrinated" to believe that there ISN'T a God who can
affect reality.

response 33 of 78:

Jul 11 12:35 UTC 2003

Re #31:  Why?

response 35 of 78:

Jul 11 14:16 UTC 2003

Hahahahaha, this is the best trollpost I have seen in a while.
It should be /.'d (is there a web interface for these?)

response 37 of 78:

Jul 11 15:37 UTC 2003

"desperate situations have a way of making people religious"

It almost sounds like you're calling prayer a nervous habit.  Maybe the
atheists in foxholes just smoke cigarettes and bite their fingernails
instead. :)

response 39 of 78:

Jul 11 16:30 UTC 2003

RE:#27
What an ultra left wing,socialistic,homosexual,ignorant ass,baby-killing,
parasite promoting REACTION to said post.

response 41 of 78:

Jul 11 17:02 UTC 2003

RE:#40
Man you are one blind moron if you think there isn't any evidence for a God.
Consider the vastness of the universe. Consider your own complexity.
nuff said.

response 43 of 78:

Jul 11 17:05 UTC 2003

I figured you would like that...you COMMIE bastard.

response 45 of 78:

Jul 11 17:31 UTC 2003

(Psst: it isn't supported either.)

Re #41: I have considered the vastness of the universe and the complexity of
life and - so what? There is not an iota of evidence of gods in any of it,
not even as "creators", much less as participants. And for almost the entire
existence of this vast and complex universe the existence of gods was not
even contemplated...until a life form evolved that could imagine such
things. But imagination does not make reality, and the reality is indifferent
to our imagining. 

The argument from vastness and complexity is the argument based essentially
in ignorance. Fortunately, the boundaries of ignorance have been push far back
toward the limits of space and time - and nowhere is there a hint of "gods".

response 47 of 78:

Jul 11 17:45 UTC 2003

Comme perhaps, bastard no: i know who my father is and he was married to my
mother at the time.

Plato was not a believer in democracy, but in the virtues of a monarchical,
aristrocratic, military-semi dictatorship.

Liberals do not lack moral standards (even if their response to persons
without moral standards is sometimes less harsh than it really should be.

Liberals are not baby-killers. They simply believe that the rights of womens,
and specifically mothers in relation to abortion, are equal to (a) men and
(b) those of the child. Conservatives, on the other hand, refuse to take into
account the moral dilemma of a woman who has been raped, or is in danger of
dying if a baby is born, preferring to take their "moral" standards from a
book and teachings written/deriving from 2000 years ago.

Liberals morals concern giving everyone as fair a deal as is possible, rather
than "whatever suits me at the time" - which is a rather conservative outlook.

Again, blacks have as much right to live as whites. Indeed, if, as seems
likely, Africans were the first humans, humans were *originally* black,
evolving white skin _only_ when necessary to deal with a different climate
- much as an Afro-American will, even now, look slightly different to a native
African.

Even if the US is taken as the most right-wing democracy, then the fact that
the US provides income support to the jobless AND provided a minimum wage
*before* the UK proves that it tolerates wastage; even if these were to be
abolished, those who were strong enough to survive by leeching would find a
way of doing so (witness criminals, who exist in spite of laws banning their
actions).

Those who re-write history (denial of the Holocaust, the Irish Potato
Famine/Great Hunger, etc.) are frequently (fi not always) exposed as
*conservatives*, with an agenda.

*Time* has destroyed "the original intent" of the Founding Fathers. Neither
the US nor the UK is the same as they were in 1787. The UK has changed for
the better, I'll leave Americans to decide whether this applies to the US.

Wars are frequently waged for religious reasons - are wars not carnage?

Removing prayer from schools (a) moves it to the province of people's private
lives, where no-one has a right to interfere unless one is doing something
illegal/morally reprehensible (b) removes bias in school prayers, as modern
multicultural societies include Buddhists, Muslims, and other religions;
providing prayer services for all these religions in cross-denominational
schools is prohibitively expensive and impractical.

I do not deny that i detest conservatism, and would like to see a world free
of it; however, any attempt on my part to suppress it would be met by an equal
and oposite reaction, in the end, which i surely wouldn't like; therefore,
it is impractical to attempt to suppress it. It is also unfair to those who
vehemently disagree with me, which is undemocratic.

"The SCUM that burns [your] flag" do it because of conservatives' burning
desire to do whatever the hell suits them, as long as people who disagree with
them don't get a piece of the action. Install democracies in the Middle East
_with the prior consent of the people_, if you want to stop that.

"A godly life"? You admit that liberals are virtuous? Or just recognise that
anyone has the right to live as godly a life as they are able to procure for
themselves, *without* imposing the _in_ability to do the same on anyone else?
Most liberals would agree with that, i think.

History (and GREX) will decide who is in the right.