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Grex > Helpers > #147: Grex System Problems - Winter 2005/06 | |
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keesan
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response 229 of 260:
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Mar 17 01:53 UTC 2006 |
Maybe I can ask all users of AOL that want to receive mail from me to set up
a grex mail account, where they can at least get incoming mail.
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mcnally
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response 230 of 260:
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Mar 17 03:36 UTC 2006 |
What you should ask them is to ask AOL tech support whether there
is a way to whitelist your e-mail address from Grex.
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rcurl
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response 231 of 260:
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Mar 17 06:16 UTC 2006 |
What are staff/officers doing about the AOL situation? It seems to be a "black
mark" on Grex's standing, to be blacklisted. Is this not considered a serious
matter by staff/officers?
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tsty
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response 232 of 260:
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Mar 17 08:56 UTC 2006 |
not too funny - a critical family connection only does a0-hell and
email to that address is shunned. i'd post the details but i think
baff knows the details.
wen rcurl and i are lockstep in agreement, it's a BAD DAY! for what
grex is supposed to be.
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keesan
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response 233 of 260:
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Mar 17 14:42 UTC 2006 |
Yes, could a staffer write to the people who sell AOL the blacklist?
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keesan
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response 234 of 260:
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Mar 17 15:47 UTC 2006 |
Now I can't even write umax for support from grex. Could a staff member
PLEASE write sorbs.net about getting us off their stupid blacklist?
A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:
support@umaxcare.com
554 Service unavailable; [216.86.77.194] blocked using
dnsbl.sorbs.net, reason:
Spam Received See: http://www.sorbs.net/lookup.shtml?216.86.77.194
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jep
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response 235 of 260:
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Mar 17 16:16 UTC 2006 |
It costs $50 to be de-listed by Sorbs, for each complaint which was
received. The $50 has to go to one of the 1 charities listed on Sorbs
acceptable charities list. This list includes a defense fund for
someone in Australia who, apparently, tried to fight against e-mail
spam and got sued. (Details are scanty.)
I for one am not interested in paying extortion to this group, even in
the form of a donation to what they say is a worthwhile charity. I see
no reason to believe we won't just be listed again.
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mcnally
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response 236 of 260:
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Mar 17 17:43 UTC 2006 |
re #234:
> Could a staff member PLEASE write sorbs.net about getting
> us off their stupid blacklist?
Someone could, but it would have exactly the same affect as you
doing so, i.e. none at all. Blacklists don't remove your host
just because you send them an email asking them to -- if they did
the spammers would just do that when they got blocked.
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tod
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response 237 of 260:
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Mar 17 17:59 UTC 2006 |
re #226
There are better options than Grex. I think that is what we're saying.
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jep
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response 238 of 260:
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Mar 17 19:07 UTC 2006 |
I had Grex removed from comcast.net's blacklist by sending them an e-
mail, so sometimes it can be done. I also had Sterling Commerce, my
employer, removed from their blacklist.
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bru
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response 239 of 260:
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Mar 17 19:54 UTC 2006 |
I guess the point is that tehr is no harm in trying to speak with these people
adn get the blacklist removed. All they can do is say No. One has to ask.
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keesan
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response 240 of 260:
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Mar 17 19:56 UTC 2006 |
Can an ISP that is using the sorbs blacklist whitelist grex so grex mail gets
through the sorbs filter? Are there any grexers who are also paying AOL?
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tod
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response 241 of 260:
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Mar 17 19:59 UTC 2006 |
Why would someone whitelist Grex which allows email abuse?
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keesan
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response 242 of 260:
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Mar 17 20:13 UTC 2006 |
How is grex allowing email abuse?
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bru
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response 243 of 260:
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Mar 17 20:32 UTC 2006 |
because we do not verify people who log in, and our staff does not take action
to halt abuse in a quick and efficient manner.
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tod
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response 244 of 260:
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Mar 17 20:45 UTC 2006 |
re #242
Grex allows email attachments which may include viruses and overall allows
anyone to log into grex and send spam unchecked out to the masses (thus
causing these blacklist problems.)
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rcurl
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response 245 of 260:
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Mar 17 20:46 UTC 2006 |
Grex is going to start (or already is) losing members - *supporting* members
- if it isn't apparent that eveything possible is being done to allow Grex
users access to these blocking ISPs. I have the impression that some users
here just think this funny. I wonder how many donating members do?
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tod
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response 246 of 260:
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Mar 17 21:01 UTC 2006 |
I'm a donating member and I think resistance is futile. Email woes are a flea
the old Grex dog can't scratch. So..get rid of Internet e-mail or else figure
out how to sub it out to another ISP that will do the hard labor more
efficiently....
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kingjon
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response 247 of 260:
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Mar 17 21:04 UTC 2006 |
Your first suggestion has already been adopted as a stopgap measure.
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tod
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response 248 of 260:
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Mar 17 21:17 UTC 2006 |
Well..that should pretty much remedy it I would think.
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slynne
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response 249 of 260:
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Mar 17 23:54 UTC 2006 |
When it comes to being a provider of email, grex has some issues. One of
them is that our open door policy has led us to be blacklisted. It might
be true that will lead us to lose some paying members. It is too bad.
But if we were to change our open newuser policy, we would lose members
too.
However, I think the staff are doing a really find job dealing wtih this
email thing and while it might not get us off blacklists we are
currently on, it might prevent us from being added to more.
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i
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response 250 of 260:
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Mar 17 23:58 UTC 2006 |
Given that several of the blacklists appear to be IP#-based, how much
good might it do if we moved to another block of IP #'s with Provide.net,
vs. how much hassle would it be do that?
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keesan
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response 251 of 260:
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Mar 18 01:06 UTC 2006 |
Is anyone still working on a way to limit outgoing mail to non-members and
allowing new users to have outgoing mail again? IT is not stop-gap if it
lasts indefinitely.
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jep
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response 252 of 260:
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Mar 18 02:21 UTC 2006 |
I'm a contributor. E-mail isn't important to me as a function of Grex,
not any more. I'm sorry we can't really provide it any more, but it is
clear we can't do a good job at it these days. Fortunately there are
alternatives.
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tsty
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response 253 of 260:
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Mar 18 06:37 UTC 2006 |
excuse me for speaking up, but, grex has a mission that is severely
compromised, yet again, by *some* sort of .... something.
free access, free email, free confrencing, free party, free unix.
to me, those are not too difficult to maintain/sustain.
we have lost *old* email and now we are losing *new* email.
sombody(ies) "in charge" has/have a serious task to accomplish.
hell, even keesan and rcurl are bitching up a strum&drang. what next?
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