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mdw
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response 228 of 293:
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Sep 10 06:19 UTC 2002 |
Beats me - but sometimes line noise *is* data sensitive. If it's just a
pine problem, then things like ^\ ^C ^Z might be useful. You might have
to do a "stty sane^J" if this leaves you in raw mode.
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keesan
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response 229 of 293:
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Sep 11 23:55 UTC 2002 |
I had to do an Alt-X to exit Kermit, hang up, and start over.
It has not happened again recently.
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jep
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response 230 of 293:
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Sep 12 02:45 UTC 2002 |
I tried to use the "Preferences" in abalone to change my colors to the
blue scheme, and got a backtalk crash.
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jep
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response 231 of 293:
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Sep 12 02:46 UTC 2002 |
Also: there are no fw settings available in abalone.
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other
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response 232 of 293:
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Sep 13 14:22 UTC 2002 |
Current date and time: Fri Sep 13 10:19:30 EDT 2002
10:19am up 2 days, 21:27, 38 users, load average: 12.95, 12.31, 12.00
0 waiting, 38 remote + 2 local users; 72 max remote users
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mdw
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response 233 of 293:
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Sep 13 22:31 UTC 2002 |
Mail bomber + something evil from Brazil.
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mcnally
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response 234 of 293:
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Sep 14 02:16 UTC 2002 |
> + something evil from Brazil.
Hopefully not a Hitler clone..
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janc
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response 235 of 293:
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Sep 14 03:56 UTC 2002 |
Fixed the "preferences" crash in abalone.
I get fairwitness settings in abalone. See the starred items on the
pulldown menu.
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russ
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response 236 of 293:
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Sep 16 01:17 UTC 2002 |
Since I've received no response to my e-mail to "staff", I feel compelled
to post here...
Grex is currently blocking e-mail from a rather popular (and to some
of us, rather important) Michigan site. Perhaps this is due to the
fact that it changed IP addresses, which may have given it one which
was formerly used by a spammer. Nevertheless, this IP is no longer
associated with spammers.
This problem has been on-going since roughly Wednesday.
Will the Grex staff please:
1.) Unblock this site, and
2.) Inform the compilers of the spamblock list that their
information is out of date.
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jmsaul
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response 237 of 293:
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Sep 16 01:20 UTC 2002 |
That's the problem with spamblock lists. They're maintained by private
individuals with their own criteria and biases, and no accountability.
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carson
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response 238 of 293:
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Sep 16 01:39 UTC 2002 |
(random Michigan site?)
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jmsaul
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response 239 of 293:
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Sep 16 02:03 UTC 2002 |
It isn't M-Net. I'm not sure why Russ is being secretive about the site name,
but since he might have a reason, I won't say what it is. It isn't a spammer,
though, and it's maintained by someone at least as technically skileld as Grex
staff are.
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jazz
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response 240 of 293:
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Sep 16 13:22 UTC 2002 |
Given that spam is a bit more than just an inconvenience for sites with
a limited amount of bandwidth, and that most spam-blocking efforts are run
on a volunteer basis with only the absence of complaints as a reward, I don't
think that looking for accountability is the right thing to be doing.
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jmsaul
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response 241 of 293:
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Sep 16 13:24 UTC 2002 |
I disagree.
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jazz
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response 242 of 293:
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Sep 16 13:31 UTC 2002 |
With which point?
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jmsaul
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response 243 of 293:
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Sep 16 13:35 UTC 2002 |
That we should ignore accountability just because they're volunteers. One
of these morons black-holed a mail server at UM for years just because it had
once been hijacked by a spammer. This meant that it was a crapshoot whether
your mail from umich would get through to certain sites or not -- it depended
on which mail server happened to handle it. Repeated emails from UM staff
didn't fix the problem.
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jazz
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response 244 of 293:
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Sep 16 13:47 UTC 2002 |
That's a different sort of situation than what we're talking about
here, though I do wonder why the problem was unhandled for years - did the
maintainers of the blackhole refuse to correct the oversight, or ignore
requests? If so, then I'd say that alone makes it a different case.
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jmsaul
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response 245 of 293:
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Sep 16 13:51 UTC 2002 |
My understanding is that they ignored requests, but I wasn't directly
involved, I just heard about it from the people trying to take care of it.
The point is that when you use someone else's blacklist, you're giving them
a lot of power over who your users can exchange mail with. That's a problem,
given that there are no guarantees about how the list is maintained. If this
particula machine has been black-holed, someone's overzealous.
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fuzzman
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response 246 of 293:
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Sep 16 14:21 UTC 2002 |
Any reason why the load average has been enormously high lately?
10:20am up 5 days, 21:28, 54 users, load average: 23.67, 23.22, 22.45
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scott
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response 247 of 293:
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Sep 16 14:23 UTC 2002 |
As a staffer I'm a bit insulted by Russ & Joe's attitude. We act in good
faith, and when somebody manages to wade through the piles of email to 'staff'
the block will likely be removed.
However, if you're going to be a dick about this then so am I. What system,
and why is Russ desirous of hiding it?
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jmsaul
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response 248 of 293:
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Sep 16 16:02 UTC 2002 |
Whoa, hang on. I wasn't criticizing Grex's staff, I was criticizing the
people who put together black hole lists. I had the impression that you guys
were using one that someone else maintains. The rant was brought on by
jazz's post suggesting that since those people are volunteers, they
shouldn't be held accountable. They should be, because they cause a lot
of damage and have been known to cop bad attitudes about it.
In the case of Grex's staff, I assumed you guys would fix the problem as
soon as someone got the chance. Unlike Russ, I'm aware that you guys are
all volunteers and that Grex isn't the only thing you do. I've been
there. I've never seen Grex's staff cop a bad attitude about a technical
fix. About policy issues, yes, but I don't hold that against you in this
context.
Russ may be hiding the name out of fear that someone like polycrap will
spoof tons of mail from it just to be funny. I'll email you.
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jp2
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response 249 of 293:
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Sep 16 16:34 UTC 2002 |
This response has been erased.
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jmsaul
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response 250 of 293:
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Sep 16 16:57 UTC 2002 |
I'm saying I don't think they should be trusted without accountability. I
wouldn't personally use those lists because of the lack of it. They
should also be accountable in the courts if they black hole someone who
shouldn't be and refuse to remove them (they probably are already).
(DISCLAIMER: I am not talking about the Grex staff.)
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jp2
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response 251 of 293:
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Sep 16 16:59 UTC 2002 |
This response has been erased.
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jmsaul
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response 252 of 293:
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Sep 16 17:04 UTC 2002 |
Look at what I said, and tell me where I said you shouldn't be allowed to use
a black hole list.
I'm saying that I wouldn't trust them, and that I think the people who put
them together should be civilly liable if they black-hole someone who
shouldn't be, and refuse to correct the problem quickly.
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