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kerouac
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response 225 of 470:
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May 1 01:03 UTC 1996 |
yes but there isnt adequate oral testiony, thats why ts and nephi
refused to capitulate on the login screen, and why having immediate elections
didnt turn out to be practical. Whether the founders had a uniform
understanding of what coop is and who is responsible for it, the fact is
that there are many users who are on grex now that do not know these
things. And assumptions can be changed easier than rules can be changed...
and if a majority of coop readers down the road dont know what the conf was
desinged for, they will make their own assumptions. It is just safer
to write everything down and stipulate whatever is really important.
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rcurl
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response 226 of 470:
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May 1 07:03 UTC 1996 |
No one claimed that something "only exists" if written down. The claim was
that consensus is only a guide while the consensus exists, which may be
for a short or long time, but is not otherwise fixed.
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kerouac
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response 227 of 470:
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May 2 00:10 UTC 1996 |
okay but what im saying is that since the user population has changed,
can the claim be made that the same consensuses still exsist? i dont
think anyone can know for sure without mechanism (board vote .etc) to
find out.
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adbarr
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response 228 of 470:
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May 2 02:08 UTC 1996 |
Assuming Grex lasts for several more years, how would the founders pass
down the accumulated knowledge, in a digestible form, to those that come
behind? Sticks with carvings? Stories around the fire? 1000 entries in
conferences --?
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rcurl
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response 229 of 470:
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May 2 06:32 UTC 1996 |
There is "accumulated knowledge", which is just that - an accumulation
from which one can select at will (or reject at will) - and there are
accumulated decisions, democratically arrived a (preferably), with
some force behind them (e.g., state law). Sticks with carvings would
do, but some backed-up bytes weigh less.
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mdw
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response 230 of 470:
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May 9 09:28 UTC 1996 |
I really haven't time for this, but I can't resist...
"Group knowledge" is of course a very precarious resource, but about as
ancient as mankind. There are about two ways this inforamtion can be
stored - in people's heads, and in written form. There are several ways
this information can be interpreted. As tradition, "we do it because
we've always done it that way"; and via fiat "we should do this
because...". Some further general principals that often apply here are
consistency, fairness, and mercy. One of the best places to study all
these principles (and many more) is the english common-law system, where
all of these rules for how to decide things survive and even thrive more
or less in parallel.
Getting back to grex in particular, there is certainly no way we can
hope to pass on all, or even most of the "accumulated knowledge" for how
grex came to be the kind of system it is. Indeed, it's practically
inevitable that grex will evolve into an entirely different system, as
it already has. However, that doesn't mean "we" ought to surrender to
the forces of blind change and hope for the best. The forces of
entropy, and the natural tendency of the human condition, mean that if
we just let things go, the system will most probably evolve into a dark
beast none of us would care to admit to having been a part of, & will
eventually creak to a ignominious conclusion. However, that does not
mean that this conclusion is a foregone thing, or even particularly
necessary. As long as we remember to fight the tide of entropy, &
struggle to make this the kind of system we can all be proud of, this
system can continue to be a great thing. And that means we all owe it
to the system, to remind ourselves not just how we've done things in the
past, but why, to remember and preserve the ideals we hold valuable, and
to use as our guide to decision, not blind logic nor blind tradition,
but conscious application of the scientific method to achieve the ends
we consider valuable.
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rcurl
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response 231 of 470:
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May 9 18:17 UTC 1996 |
The scientific method insists on accurate recording of all observations
and conclusions.
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mdw
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response 232 of 470:
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May 11 06:53 UTC 1996 |
That makes this conference a pretty valuable resource, and that's why
it's good to push extended discussion of controversial issues into this
conference rather than relying on board meetings or other less
accessible media.
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kain
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response 233 of 470:
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Jun 24 14:01 UTC 1996 |
YET ANOTHER PROPOSAL BY kain: I think we should have a conference for the best
items in all the conferences. a "cool ite" conference in a sense. People
can read all the good stuff there and get a feel for the other conferences
and decide which ones they like.
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brighn
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response 234 of 470:
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Jun 24 14:35 UTC 1996 |
Try the Intro conference.
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robh
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response 235 of 470:
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Jun 24 15:53 UTC 1996 |
Or the Archive Conference, if you want something more permanent.
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davel
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response 236 of 470:
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Jun 24 16:21 UTC 1996 |
That's exactly what the Archive cf is intended to be.
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albaugh
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response 237 of 470:
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Jun 24 20:53 UTC 1996 |
Is there any merit to having a "humor" conference? As a start, it could
simply have links to the humor items of all the agoras. Thoughts?
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tsty
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response 238 of 470:
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Jun 26 07:19 UTC 1996 |
possibly too much repetition.. there is alwyas a new audience and
the best stuff gets recycled. a conference likt that would tend, i think,
to quell the spirit of entry
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kain
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response 239 of 470:
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Jun 27 03:03 UTC 1996 |
take a look at fun albaugh. It was a pitiful attempt at just that
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albaugh
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response 240 of 470:
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Jun 27 21:38 UTC 1996 |
Yeah, I had seen "fun" in the output of "h conf", but its description didn't
hit me between the eyes as also encompassing humor. I shoulda looked there
before posting here, I suppose - so solly! :-) I'll go pitch my proposal
in fun...
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dynamo
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response 241 of 470:
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Jul 1 01:48 UTC 1996 |
Name : The Room
Farewitness me
porpous an inside joke betwine me and a few other users
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z0mbie
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response 242 of 470:
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Jul 20 05:24 UTC 1996 |
Name-- Adolesecnse
Hosts Kevin (z0mbie) Brunell & (possibly) Adam (cybergod) Czarnecki
Intent-- A place where anybody is invited, but is based for kids between
11-15, which is hte basic years of puberty/adolesnces, yes it goes for a lot
longer, but jsut te basics....
A place where teens/pre-teens can express there
views/problem/concerns/questions. It is (I think) easier to takk to your
peers, rather than your parents.
Also, This is a unisex thing, if possible, we could brake it up into sexes,
Like femme/homme, it would be easier to express your problems with the same
sex.
And if most Kids learn on hte street anyway, wouldn't you rather it be a
non-profit organization???
So I give you my offereing, of a cofrence request. And I hope that you will
accept it, Because I know, that it would be great to have soemthin liek this
on grex. And even if not alot of teenagers go into the bbs, this could be
easily spread the word!!!
Thank you for your time, and inderstanding,
Kevin Brunell
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scg
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response 243 of 470:
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Jul 20 07:59 UTC 1996 |
It already exists. It's called the InBetween conference. It could really
use somebody to revitalize it, if you're interested.
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tsty
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response 244 of 470:
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Jul 20 09:42 UTC 1996 |
ohhh, i thougth it was teen.cf but apparently there are TWO!
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scg
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response 245 of 470:
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Jul 20 17:59 UTC 1996 |
I think teen points at InBetween, or maybe at the old InBetween conference,
or soemthing. M-Net also has or had a teen conference.
The InBetween conference, for those of you wondering about the name, was
designed for "discussion of issues related to being InBetween childhood and
adulthood."
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popcorn
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response 246 of 470:
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Jul 21 05:12 UTC 1996 |
Hm. I thought InBetween was for slightly older people than the age range
Kevin talks about. Still, it does sound like the perfect place for the topic
Kevin talks about. Hm.
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scg
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response 247 of 470:
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Jul 21 05:24 UTC 1996 |
The age range Kevin is talking about is at the lower end of the age range
InBetween was intended for, but is definitely within that age range. Since
nobody's using InBetweenfor much of anything tehse days, Kevin's welcome to
take it and do what he wants with it. I entered something several months ago
asking for a new FW, so if Kevin's interested he can have it.
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jenna
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response 248 of 470:
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Jul 21 05:25 UTC 1996 |
so maybe if the old fairwitnesses of a mostlyy dead cf were
willing to turn it over to the volunteers it would fly?
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scg
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response 249 of 470:
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Jul 21 06:26 UTC 1996 |
Yeah, that's what I'm hoping. As one of the old fairwitnesses, I've been
trying to turn it over to a new volunteer for months, but haven't had much
luck in finding such a volunteer.
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