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tod
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response 224 of 378:
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Mar 8 23:53 UTC 2006 |
re #222
Don't you mean amphatamines?!
I'm all for skinny cow ice cream sandwiches after work. Who's with me?
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marcvh
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response 225 of 378:
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Mar 8 23:58 UTC 2006 |
Sure, meet me at the Cold Stone near Westlake Mall.
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tod
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response 226 of 378:
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Mar 9 00:33 UTC 2006 |
I got my oil changed by Jiffy Lube and they gave me a 2 free Cold Stone 1
scoop coupons
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richard
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response 227 of 378:
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Mar 9 00:41 UTC 2006 |
supposedly it helps to change from cow milk to soy milk. cow milk is
high in fat and a lot of kids get obese from loading up on the milk in
their cereal over the years. Problem is I have yet to find a soy milk
that tastes EXACTLY like regular milk.
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tod
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response 228 of 378:
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Mar 9 00:44 UTC 2006 |
Soy milk ruins the male libido.
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marcvh
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response 229 of 378:
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Mar 9 00:49 UTC 2006 |
In that case health insurance should be required to pay for it as a birth
control method, and Wal-Mart should be required by law to stock it.
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rcurl
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response 230 of 378:
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Mar 9 02:35 UTC 2006 |
So far this has just been about obesity. I think it might be enlightening if
slynne is willing to post the values for her cholesterol (HD and LD) and
triglycerides, to compare with what are considered healthy ranges.
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nharmon
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response 231 of 378:
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Mar 9 03:04 UTC 2006 |
I don't see any enlightenment coming from slynee posting her cholesterol
levels. And your amusement is not good enough reason.
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tod
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response 232 of 378:
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Mar 9 04:39 UTC 2006 |
It wouldn't be enlightening unless we had nathan's hdl and ldl counts to
compare with.
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rcurl
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response 233 of 378:
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Mar 9 06:01 UTC 2006 |
OK, in case anyone wants to compare, here is a simplified list. These are
important parameters because, regardless of weight, these values can cause
serious consequences if they are out of bounds.
Total cholesterol: too high > 200 mg/dl
HDL cholesterol: too low < 40 mg/dl
LDL cholesterol: too high > 130 mg/dl
Triglycerides: too high > 150 mg/dl
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nharmon
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response 234 of 378:
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Mar 9 12:53 UTC 2006 |
According to my doctor, my cholesterol levels have never been a
problem. I used to have somewhat high blood pressure, but I think that
was due to stress because it is normal.
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jadecat
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response 235 of 378:
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Mar 9 15:13 UTC 2006 |
resp:221 I 'stopped' at 11 lbs, Richard, because that's what the vet old
me she should weigh. I want a healthy cat, not an Ashley Olson in cat form.
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richard
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response 236 of 378:
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Mar 9 16:31 UTC 2006 |
re: speed. most diet pills on the market are really just high end
amphetamines being sold as "diet pills" The diet products industry is largely
one big scam.
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edina
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response 237 of 378:
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Mar 9 16:33 UTC 2006 |
I love how I passive aggressively got called a fat bigot. I'm sure a
"self-hating fat bigot" is probably more on target.
Richard, I did have my stomach stapled as part of the procedure. And I'm
still trying to figure out how you compare liposuction to it.
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jadecat
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response 238 of 378:
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Mar 9 16:35 UTC 2006 |
resp:236 as is well shown in the movie "Requiem for a Dream."
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mcnally
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response 239 of 378:
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Mar 9 17:13 UTC 2006 |
re #227: Like many of Richard's pronouncements this one doesn't even
pass the standard of "barely plausible." I'm really skeptical that anyone
gets obese from putting milk on their cereal. Probably the cereal doesn't
help much, as many varieties are simply *amazingly* full of sugar, but
putting a cup of soy milk on your Captain Crunch or Frosted Flakes isn't
going to keep you slim.
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richard
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response 240 of 378:
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Mar 9 17:23 UTC 2006 |
mcnally most brands of soy milk DO have less fat than whole cow milk.
Ingesting bowls and bowls of high fat whole milk can and does make people fat.
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jadecat
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response 241 of 378:
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Mar 9 17:31 UTC 2006 |
WHOLE milk yes, but what about a comparison to Skim Milk?
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slynne
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response 242 of 378:
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Mar 9 18:33 UTC 2006 |
resp:237 I wasnt being passive aggresive. I was out and out saying that
your comments about the 600lb woman were prejudiced. That doesnt mean,
btw, that I think you are self-loathing. But I do think that a lot of
fat people have prejudices against fat people in general. I know that
for a lot of my life I certainly have shared a lot of prejudices
against fat people. e.g. That they eat too much, that they could lose
weight if they had self-discipline, they are going to die young, they
cost society a lot of money, etc.
I know no one likes it when their prejudices are pointed out. I think
bru is still mad at me for suggesting that he might have a bias towards
white men. But, sometimes I think it is important to speak up when one
sees discrimination in the world no matter where it happens to be even
if that means that one ends up being unpopular. I also know that I both
dont like it and am grateful whenever anyone points out the prejudices
that I happen to have (and since I am human, I have them...everyone
does)
On a side note, NPR had a good story this morning about how local news
outlets' health coverage is often flat out wrong. I have notice that a
lot of sensational obesity stories I have seen have been on the local
news and I have to wonder how often those stories were wrong. How much
of the information we all think we know is really speculation based in
a culture of fat hatred and fat fear?
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edina
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response 243 of 378:
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Mar 9 18:37 UTC 2006 |
Oh for God's sake....I'm starting to think this is a crusade for you to
justify not going to the doctor for 7 years.
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richard
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response 244 of 378:
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Mar 9 18:44 UTC 2006 |
re #242 slynne, are you saying that you think fat people are more prejudiced
against other fat people than skinny or normal sized people are? Do you think
edina got her surgery because she hates fat people>?
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tod
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response 245 of 378:
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Mar 9 18:44 UTC 2006 |
prejudices
against fat people. e.g. That they eat too much, that they could lose
weight if they had self-discipline, they are going to die young, they
cost society a lot of money, etc.
Yea, I used to have prejudices against winos e.g. they can't drive, their
livers are being damaged, they'll die young, they ARE COMMITTING SUICIDE
Good thing I wised up and know to MIND MY BUSINESS.
*sticks head in sand*
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richard
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response 246 of 378:
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Mar 9 18:49 UTC 2006 |
personally I have more sympathy for fat people than I do for really skinny
people, girls who become bulimic so they can maintain skeletal figures, and
who weigh 90 pounds and their ribs are showing, and they still think they're
fat.
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jadecat
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response 247 of 378:
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Mar 9 19:00 UTC 2006 |
resp:246 Richard, why is that? Do you realize that those girls end up
wtih chemical malfunctions in their brains- so their perceived image of
themselves is NOT the image every one else sees? In many ways the 'food
addictions' you go on about to explain obesity are the same for
anorexics and bulemics, or it's a psychological coping mechanism that's
out of control.
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slynne
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response 248 of 378:
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Mar 9 20:32 UTC 2006 |
resp:243 - You can think that if you would like. I suppose in a way it
is true. I didnt go to the doctor at first because I had a vague
feeling that I didnt really want to go. I didnt explore the feeling at
first and because I have always been pretty healthy my whole life (or
at least I feel healthy), I didnt explore the feeling much. Then, I
started thinking I should go while at the same time I noticed that
whenever I thought about going I started having physical symptoms of
anxiety in my body. So I started wondering why I was essentially afraid
to go to the doctor. The reasons turned out to be more complex than I
want to go into but a big part of it was fear that they would get on my
case about my weight and that they would assume things about my
behavior based on my weight and that they would treat me badly. I got
over my anxiety by reading a lot of obesity research. I know that diets
tend to fail. I know that the health risks of obesity are exaggerated
in the media. I know that there is little consensious among researchers
about the success of diets and the health risks of obesity. I know that
doctors and nurses are just as likely to have prejudices as anyone else
and that they are sometimes wrong. So now I feel ok about going
because I know that even if they do tell me that I am going to die
young because of my weight and that I have to go on a diet, they are
not necessarily correct. But FWIW, I dont really feel that I have to
justify not going to the doctor for so long to anyone but myself. I
think fear is a good enough reason.
resp:244 - no, that isnt what I am saying. But I think that some fat
people buy into the notion that fat people are bad. It is similar to
how some women buy into the whole right-wing sexist notion that men
should be the head of the household and women dont have a right to
their own bodies kind of thing. Just because a person is a member of a
group that is discriminated against, it doesnt mean that they dont hold
the same views about themselves and other members of their group as
people in the mainstream culture do.
resp:245 - Are your beliefs about winos based on facts or about beliefs
that you have about alcoholics?
resp:246 - I have a LOT more sympathy for people who are anorexic or
bulemic than for people who are fat. As I have said over and over,
being fat is a state of being and it is a state of being where one is
discriminated against. But anorexia and bulemia are very serious mental
disorders. Here is a little fact. Anerexia is the most lethal mental
illness in the DSM-IV because many anorexics literally starve
themselves to death.
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