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Grex > Diversity > #12: Bush to join fight against UM's affirmative action program |  |
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jep
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response 220 of 232:
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Jan 30 15:46 UTC 2003 |
re resp:208: I am not sure that a degree from Ferris is worse than
being a drop-out from U-M.
re resp:209: I am all for making sure everyone who's accepted can
graduate. If they can do that and have an affirmative action program
which gives an equal chance to graduate to all entering students, then
I would find that very attractive.
re resp:210: Surely the university can be considered qualified to
obtain and study data. In my opinion, even if there's a chance of
bias, there's no more competent researcher in the state than the
University of Michigan.
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klg
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response 221 of 232:
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Jan 30 17:27 UTC 2003 |
re: "#219 (rcurl): Realize also that no one is forcing admitted
students to attend UM (most don't), and it is sure to be common
knowledge among all demographics, what are the "chances" at any school
they consider."
I'm not sure what you mean by "chances," but I attended one of the
better schools in the Detroit area, where I studied hard, and was
shocked at the level of work I needed to do @ UM. If a minority
student attends a poor, inner city school where he does comparatively
well and is given a chance to attend UM, I wonder how well he
understands what's going to be required of him at a highly selective
university.
re: "#220 (jep): re resp:210: Surely the university can be considered
qualified to obtain and study data. In my opinion, even if there's a
chance of bias, there's no more competent researcher in the state than
the University of Michigan"
You aren't suspect of an organization researching itself on a highly-
charged issue like this? If you were the university employee
conducting the study, might you think your conclusions would have an
effect on your continued employment? What do you think of the
scientific studies on tobacco smoking put out by the cigarette
companies?
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rcurl
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response 222 of 232:
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Jan 30 18:29 UTC 2003 |
By "the "chances" at any school they consider" I meant information about
experiences, successes, difficulties, failures, etc, at different schools,
from students that attended those schools. If you were "shocked" at the
level of work required at UM, it could only have been because of
inadequate counseling, since you would not have been the first person that
attended UM from Detroit high schools.
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russ
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response 223 of 232:
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Jan 30 23:46 UTC 2003 |
Re #218: My suppositions are labelled as exactly that, but the
current figures are drawn from jep's numbers earlier in this item.
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klg
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response 224 of 232:
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May 14 16:28 UTC 2003 |
Fill in the blank:
"REDEFINING DIVERSITY
"In an Atlanta Journal-Constitution op-ed, Benjamin Jones, a
sophomore . . ., explains that a racially uniform student body can
be "diverse":
"'Even though 97 percent of the . . . student body is ____________, we
are a diverse and eclectic group of people who come from different
parts of the country and the world. We all hold unique and
extraordinary experiences.'"
(from yesterday s Opinionjournal.com)
If you guessed "African-American," you are correct. The writer is
referring to Morehouse College, a southern Black school. On the other
hand, if you guessed "White," then you are obviously wrong.
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scott
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response 225 of 232:
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May 14 17:08 UTC 2003 |
Golly, and after all we did for those poor niggers, rescuing them from Africa,
giving them free transportation to America, teaching them a proper religion,
teaching them trades, and even allowing their women to have sex with our men.
And that's the kind of shit they're giving us back?
</extreme sarcasm>
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klg
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response 226 of 232:
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May 15 01:38 UTC 2003 |
Mr. scott seems not to have understood the irony of the prior post.
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rcurl
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response 227 of 232:
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May 15 02:41 UTC 2003 |
Re #224: there was no need to guess: any answer is correct (apart from
perhaps the newspaper and the particular student cited). You could put
Chinese in the blank, and it would apply somewhere. In fact, try putting
in Human.
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gull
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response 228 of 232:
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May 15 14:26 UTC 2003 |
I'd be worried about a college where only 97% of the student body was human.
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rcurl
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response 229 of 232:
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May 15 14:48 UTC 2003 |
Ask any teacher....
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klg
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response 230 of 232:
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May 30 16:46 UTC 2003 |
What are they afraid of???
Thursday, May 29, 2003
U-M Hurts its Credibility by Hiding Research
Denial of Freedom of Information Act request for diversity study data
violates the spirit of disclosure law
By The Detroit News
The University of Michigan is hiding behind an obscure legal exception
to avoid complying with the Freedom of Information Act. It is an
unseemly position for a public institution of U-M's stature.
The university is refusing a FOIA request from an Ann Arbor-based free-
lance investigator to turn over the first few years of data used in a
report U-M contends proves diversity on campus produces important
educational benefits.
That contention is at the heart of U-M's defense of its affirmative
action admissions policies, now before the U.S. Supreme Court, which is
expected to hand down a ruling shortly.
To prove its point, U-M submitted as evidence a 10-year survey
conducted by Patricia Gurin, a psychology professor, showing that
racial diversity improved the educational experience for all U-M
students -- majority and minority alike.
But researcher Chetly Zarko contends that a recently discovered
executive summary prepared by the university contradicts the study's
final findings. He has asked for the data to prove his point.
The university defends its refusal on grounds that original data
gathered by researchers in the course of their scholarly work
constitutes intellectual property and is therefore exempt from FOIA
disclosures because of something called the Confidential Research
Information Act (CRIA).
The university's rationale, while technically correct, is nevertheless
dishonest and violates the spirit of the Freedom of Information Act,
which is designed to ensure public institutions operate in an open
manner report .
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gelinas
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response 231 of 232:
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May 30 22:49 UTC 2003 |
It's up to the researcher to publish her data, not the University.
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cyklone
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response 232 of 232:
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May 31 00:34 UTC 2003 |
While I agree the FOIA exemption asserted by UM smacks of BS, it should be
noted that the material *was* turned over to the plaintiffs' attorneys in the
affirmative action case, and they have apologized for previously claiming it
wasn't.
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