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janc
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response 22 of 71:
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May 27 17:46 UTC 2005 |
Hmmm...I think the cleanest way to implement this is to get rid of the
robots.txt file and use
<META NAME="ROBOTS" CONTENT="NOINDEX,NOFOLLOW">
tags on all pages that should not be indexed. Of course, this requires
changes to an awful lot of backtalk pages.
I could alternately create a copy of backtalk that generates normal
pages except that links to indexable pages are given as links to the
copy and links to non-indexable pages are given as links to the main
backtalk. The robots.txt file would be set up to allow indexing of the
copy, but not the main backtalk program. Might be easier, because I
need to change fewer pages, but a fundamentally kludgier approach.
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jep
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response 23 of 71:
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May 27 19:13 UTC 2005 |
How do you apply "shy y" if you use Backtalk? Does it mark your posts
as being unGoogleable retroactively?
Can we create a test conference which is Googleable, perhaps
called "Google Agora" or something, and try opening that one first?
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mcnally
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response 24 of 71:
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May 27 19:32 UTC 2005 |
Can I suggest someone whip up a quick man page for the undocumented
"shy" command?
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naftee
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response 25 of 71:
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May 27 20:47 UTC 2005 |
re 21 The web page is an exact copy of a GreX item. What's the difference?
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glenda
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response 26 of 71:
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May 27 23:07 UTC 2005 |
Yes, how does one use the shy command? I tried it and got "Cannot open
/home/janc/src/backtalk/shylist." Or does it only work in backtalk? If that
is the case what do those of us that do not use backtalk and don't want
anonymous readers seeing our responses do?
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i
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response 27 of 71:
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May 28 02:35 UTC 2005 |
Do we need to add a level of shyness here, call it "very", that hides your
comments from both anonymous readers and robots, change shy "y" so it only
hides comments from robots, then make the "y" everyone's default (except
change the current "y" crowd to "very") as the experiment begins?
I think that many people says things in our conferences that they might
not want to share (via Google) with someone like an employer...
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janc
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response 28 of 71:
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May 28 13:07 UTC 2005 |
Sounds like shy is broken. Permission issue probably. I need to look
at that.
"shy y" means that your responses won't be visible to anonymous
readers, including bots.
"shy n" returns you to normal.
Yes, it's retro-active. If you are on the shy list, all your past and
future responses are hidden.
I'm not sure Walter's suggestion is practical. It's hard to tell bots
from other anonymous readers. I'd have to base it on the User Agent
string sent by the browser/bot and there are an awful lot of
browser/bots out there.
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naftee
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response 29 of 71:
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May 28 13:26 UTC 2005 |
I wish shy were pro-active :(
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davel
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response 30 of 71:
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May 28 15:42 UTC 2005 |
Re 28: permissions may be a problem, but the immediate problem seems to be
the specified path. /home/janc doesn't seem to exist.
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ric
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response 31 of 71:
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May 31 19:57 UTC 2005 |
So, all the instances of polytwerp calling me a paedophile will be googlable?
great.
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tod
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response 32 of 71:
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May 31 21:31 UTC 2005 |
Yea, "Rick Root" will show up with paedophile on google
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naftee
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response 33 of 71:
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Jun 1 00:46 UTC 2005 |
lolz
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cmcgee
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response 34 of 71:
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Jun 2 11:51 UTC 2005 |
I'm in favor of the idea. IIRC, minutes have always been searchable. I'd
like to see it start with an Agora restart, or with a conference that
volunteers (by vote within the conference and an agreeable fw).
I think it needs a member vote however, especially if we are experimenting
with Agora.
Ric's comments started some ideas in my mind. It seems that we might have
some users who are willing to be members of a conf that has a somewhat
more active fw than is traditional, leaning toward a "moderator" level of
involvement.
Could we have an experimental conference lead the way? One that was
clearly intended to be a public Web conversation pit, and inteneded as a
marketing tool for Grex?
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ric
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response 35 of 71:
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Jun 2 12:19 UTC 2005 |
btw, if you're going to publish conferences, you should place google ads on
the pages - at least for people who are not logged in. Could be a nice source
of revenue if the item threads are indexed well by google.
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slynne
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response 36 of 71:
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Jun 2 16:22 UTC 2005 |
I agree that this is a big enough change that putting it to a member
vote is a good idea.
I also *really* like the idea of putting google ads on the pages
although I dont know if anyone else would agree
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keesan
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response 37 of 71:
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Jun 2 18:06 UTC 2005 |
I would consider google ads or any ads in the same category as school vending
machines and I would be willing to pay higher dues to avoid it even though
it does not affect me personally since I don't access grex by web.
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tod
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response 38 of 71:
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Jun 2 20:00 UTC 2005 |
Google ads are dangerous and could link people to spyware sites
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albaugh
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response 39 of 71:
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Jun 2 21:14 UTC 2005 |
I suppose people who wished to hide their identity even beyond what is already
in place could just create pseudos for themselves, using newuser. Oh wait...
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tod
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response 40 of 71:
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Jun 3 04:01 UTC 2005 |
Grex could always start requiring a National ID.
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other
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response 41 of 71:
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Jun 3 19:23 UTC 2005 |
Do Google ads pay only for click-throughs, or based on impressions
(times served)?
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slynne
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response 42 of 71:
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Jun 4 21:09 UTC 2005 |
I think they pay for click-throughs but I am not sure. I think polygon
uses them on his site.
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ric
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response 43 of 71:
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Jun 5 02:38 UTC 2005 |
Google pays per click. I have google ads on my blog and some other pages,
I've made about $210 in the last month or so.
Polygon uses them too.
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dpc
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response 44 of 71:
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Jun 22 16:05 UTC 2005 |
I think ads are things for which the Grex world is not prepared.
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ric
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response 45 of 71:
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Jun 23 12:43 UTC 2005 |
Don't speak rashly.
If it's possible to only place the ads on pages displayed to users who are
not logged in, then Grex can benefit from google indexing of items, without
affecting any current user of grex.
Google text ads are unobtrusive, and surprisingly effective - much more so
than banner ads, because the google text ads are usually relevant to the page
they're being displayed on.
Without displaying them to users who are logged in, they would only be
effective if grex items showed up in Google or other search engines. If the
conferences were well indexed, I could see that revenue leading to anywhere
from $3 - $20/month, again, without impacking users who are already logged
in. Who knows, maybe more.
Certain items could lead to higher ad rates. Enter an item and have a
discussion about Misothelioma, and you'll probably get $5 or so for every ad
that's clicked on!
Heck, turn on the ads for grex users, and encourage grexers to click on the
ads. Grex users know that clicking on the ads would support Grex. I'd do
it.
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tod
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response 46 of 71:
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Jun 23 12:48 UTC 2005 |
Google ads would be effective on Grexers?
Are you thinking of selling Dr.Demento boxsets and Dr.Who mugs?
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