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dbratman
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response 22 of 106:
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May 16 20:32 UTC 2001 |
resp:20 - funny, Mike, but of course classical isn't where Tower ever
made its money, and consequently that's not how they're losing it.
Since a vast percentage of my classical purchases are CDs from those
very distributors from Tower, I'm concerned about alternate sources.
Searching for classical recordings on Amazon is very difficult, and
browsing for just about anything on Amazon (a la wandering the aisles
of a brick&mortar store) is just about impossible. Any better online
sources?
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dbratman
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response 23 of 106:
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May 27 03:48 UTC 2001 |
Well, that was pretty deafening.
I've made my first visit to Tower since the above news hit. There are
two Towers in my area: one has a smaller, but choicer, classical
selection than the other, and it was the smaller one I visited. So
far, at least, it doesn't look much different, and I even found a BIS
release I'd been meaning to buy.
I forget whether Chandos is one of the labels hit by the distributor
crunch, but they didn't have a new Chandos release I was looking for.
OTOH, I'd read about it in the latest issue of BBC Music, and anything
they mention often takes months to show up.
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krj
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response 24 of 106:
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May 27 22:13 UTC 2001 |
We discussed the problems of online browsing for classical CDs
recently, and in that discussion you (David) had the suggestion of
browsing a Schwann catalog instead. I haven't got a better solution.
CD Connection's search functions may be a tiny bit better than Amazon's.
Other than that, there's Borders, which in Ann Arbor was the weakest
of the three classical CD shops, but now it's all we have left.
I suspect the model becomes that one will now browse magazines and
radio shows, rather than actually being able to paw through piles or
lists of discs.
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dbratman
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response 25 of 106:
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May 29 07:41 UTC 2001 |
A day or two after not finding that new Chandos release I'd been
wanting at Tower, I found it at Barnes and Noble. Which has a
classical CD selection at least as large as the nearest Borders, and is
one heck of a lot easier to get to. Pretty small compared to Tower
even now, though, and lacking all the useful tools - Penguin Guides,
posted reviews, classical-only listening booths - that make Tower such
an easy place to shop. Sigh.
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krj
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response 26 of 106:
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Jun 26 19:01 UTC 2001 |
http://www.latimes.com/business/20010623/t000051875.html
Excerpts:
"Tower Records... may have to file for bankruptcy protection if it
cannot restructure weakening finances in the coming months, according
to the nation's top bond rating agency." ...
"The 41-year-old Tower is being squeezed by a decline in album sales and
a protracted price war with discount houses that is driving down
profit margins." ...
"Music merchants say sales are down 5% to 10% for the first six
months of the year, following disappointing showings by releases from
such big-name acts as Ricky Martin, Aerosmith and Depeche Mode....
According to research firm SoundScan... album sales at chain stores are
down about 3.6% from a year ago."
"Record chains such as Tower also blame their tepid sales on
cutthroat competition from discount houses such as Best Buy, which
purchase CDs from manufacturers for about $10.80 and often sell them
for less than $10 to lure customers in to buy other products such as
electronic equipment..."
"In a regulatory filing, Tower said it also would close or sell its
operations in Canada."
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mcnally
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response 27 of 106:
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Jun 27 05:19 UTC 2001 |
Depeche Mode still sells enough records to be counted as a substantial
influence over slumping record sales?
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mcnally
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response 28 of 106:
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Jul 1 05:50 UTC 2001 |
I went out record shopping yesterday with a walletful of cash,
determined to buy several albums I'd borrowed from the library
and enjoyed.. I found several of the albums I'd intended to
pick up, as well as several other interesting-looking possibilities,
but I wound up leaving the store empty-handed -- I just couldn't
bring myself to pay what the store was asking for the CDs.
The least-expected I'd selected was priced at $16.99, and a couple
of my selections were $18.99 for a single new CD. If I'd gone to
a store like Best Buy instead of the independent record store at
which I'd been shopping, I probably could have saved a dollar or
two per disc, but I doubt I could've brought myself to buy most of
my selections even at a "mere" $15.99 per CD. The area where I live
in Washington state has an 8.6% sales tax, so a $17.99 CD costs me
almost $20.00 total..
Back when new CDs were routinely priced in the $11.99 - $12.99 range,
I used to go to the record store and come home with 7 or 8 new purchases
every couple of weeks. It wasn't unusual for me to buy 100 to 150 new
records a year in those days. Nowadays, though, I can't clearly remember
the last time I left a record store with more than three full-length
releases, and I've probably purchased less than 20 new albums so far this
year. It's true that my purchases have slowed partly because I've already
collected a lot of the albums I wanted, but even these days, when I rarely
try out new artists because I don't want to take a $20 gamble, there's
still a backlog of music on my "I really ought to buy that.." list.
At the current rate, however, most of the entries on that list are going
to remain there indefinitely. If the RIAA wants to know why record sales
are dropping, my best guess is that they're pricing most people out of
trying new music..
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krj
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response 29 of 106:
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Jul 1 15:04 UTC 2001 |
Not directly related, but I did want to mention it: amazon.com seems to
have moved to selling most CDs at list price. They proudly mention
that they are throwing in free shipping on most orders, though.
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krj
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response 30 of 106:
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Jul 1 15:37 UTC 2001 |
From the June 15th promotional e-mail from the NorthSide label, which
specializes in issuing Scandinavian folk & folk-related music for the
North American market:
> At the same time, we're dealing with growing problems
> at U.S. record retail, so unless you're one of the
> lucky few that has a great independent record store
> in your town, be sure to visit our website often
> and take advantage of our secure server to buy direct.
They did not elaborate on what those problems were.
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ashke
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response 31 of 106:
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Jul 1 17:56 UTC 2001 |
No wonder I stopped buying albums. I went and bought a few at Best Buy,
becuase they were on sale having just come out (one of them being Exciter by
Depeche mode) and one that managed to be $6.99 (A band called Saliva) and was
thrilled and had to put 2 others back but bought 3. I was amazed. A lot of
the releases I want to get, Musicals, old Hair Bands, my eclectic tastes, I
can't. And some wonder why I used Napster. Thpppt. I would buy a LOT more
cd's if they were back around the $10 side rather than the $20 side. A LOT
more.
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bmoran
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response 32 of 106:
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Jul 6 02:12 UTC 2001 |
The new Afro Celt 3 was on the shelf @ Borders for 18.99 last week, so I
added it to my wish list and left. This week it's on sale for 12.99, so I
got it. Whenever I hear something new, I'll almost always try out Encore
Records to see if someone else paid full price and didn't like it. That's
how I got AfroCelt's 2nd disk for 8.00.
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krj
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response 33 of 106:
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Jul 26 21:33 UTC 2001 |
Rotten to the core... An LA Times story, and a NewMediaMusic story
derived from it, reporting allegations that some major labels are
rigging the SoundScan charts:
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-000057351jul13.story
http://www.newmediamusic.com/articles/NM01070298.html
The scam is pretty elementary. The major label hires an independent
promoter. The independent promoter gives a bunch of free promo discs
to a CD store which reports to SoundScan and has the CD store employees
scan the free discs multiple times. The CD store then gets to sell
the free discs at normal price. Since the discs were not bought at
wholesale, the retail price becomes pure profit to the store.
The artist is screwed because, as free promo discs are involved,
no royalties are paid.
Soundscan itself is exasperated. "'The labels pay us to run a system
that delivers an accurate sales count,' (soundscan exec) Shalett said.
'What's the point of them paying somebody else to mess
with it? It's insane.'"
NewMediaMusic suggests that the scam is motivated by internal record
company politics; people who stand to be fired if a release they are
responsible for performs poorly.
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orinoco
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response 34 of 106:
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Jul 26 21:38 UTC 2001 |
Curiouser and curiouser....
I've given up on thinking that any given development will be the last straw
that will turn people against the music industry: there have been far too many
last straws already, and we're apathetic and cranky, but we still buy from
them. Still, I'd have fun following this if it became a big scandal; I'm
rooting for it just for that.
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dbratman
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response 35 of 106:
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Jul 27 16:44 UTC 2001 |
Options for obtaining music from somewhere other than "the music
industry" (a pretty broad term) are currently somewhat limited, and
require some hefty searching and self-starting. Sure, folks tried to
bypass it, but ...
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orinoco
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response 36 of 106:
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Aug 18 18:28 UTC 2001 |
The State Street Harmony House in Ann Arbor seems to have bitten, or to be
in the act of biting, the dust. They have a 'for rent' sign in their window.
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tpryan
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response 37 of 106:
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Aug 19 15:49 UTC 2001 |
So State Street is where the Harmoney House was hidding?
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krj
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response 38 of 106:
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Aug 20 16:37 UTC 2001 |
Yeah. I think everyone in the Grex music conference who commented on
the Harmony House store wondered what the heck they thought they were
doing, putting a mall-quality CD store, which could compete on neither
price nor selection, in the State & Liberty area.
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otaking
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response 39 of 106:
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Aug 21 04:05 UTC 2001 |
Yeah. The only time I went to Harmony House to shop was when I was looking
for a "Top 10" soundtrack. I decided after one visit to never shop there
again.
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mcnally
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response 40 of 106:
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Aug 22 10:02 UTC 2001 |
So for those of us who aren't in Ann Arbor any longer but are
still keeping score, what's left?
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scott
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response 41 of 106:
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Aug 22 12:05 UTC 2001 |
Well, now, let's see:
Borders, of course. Discount Records is still standing. There's that weird
used CD place over on the other side of campus with the CDs in the huge locked
glass cases; they sell a fair amount of new CDs. Schoolkids in Exile still
there.
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krj
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response 42 of 106:
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Aug 22 16:52 UTC 2001 |
And Encore, Wazoo and PJs.
I've found that my shopping for new CDs at stores has collapsed.
For new CDs, I'm shopping only at Borders, Elderly Instruments
in Lansing, and very occasionally at Schoolkids-in-the-Basement.
Schoolkids is limited both in stock and in hours open, so I haven't been
going there much.
My rough guess is that I'm buying maybe 1/4 of what I used to buy
in the local new shops. For a lot of what I want, it's not
even worth the time to check Borders: obscure folk/world
and classical CDs just aren't being stocked much in Ann Arbor any more.
I miss being able to wander out either from home or work to browse
through bins of CDs, but it seems that era has ended.
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dbratman
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response 43 of 106:
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Aug 22 21:39 UTC 2001 |
Browsing through web sites just isn't the same.
For that matter, browsing through CDs wasn't the same as browsing
through LPs. Not only was it physically easier to flip through the
LPs, but (at least in classical) they had liner notes on the back that
could help you decide whether to buy something you didn't know.
I've been tempted, on occasion, to slit open CD wrappers in the shop so
as to read the booklet. I'd buy a lot more CDs if I could. In this
respect, the web is a slight improvement. Not much, but a little.
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orinoco
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response 44 of 106:
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Aug 23 17:37 UTC 2001 |
Most used stores let you do just that.
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dbratman
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response 45 of 106:
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Aug 24 16:59 UTC 2001 |
New CDs, Dan, new CDs. Used ones don't even have wrappers.
Some new-CD stores will indeed let you do that. But I can't imagine
making that request of the drones who staff my Tower's classical
department.
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tpryan
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response 46 of 106:
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Aug 24 22:11 UTC 2001 |
Borders has a new, different kind of listening station in
the newly opened stores...a way to listen in a multitude of CDs
from one place, instead of only 5 at a time.
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