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Grex > Agora46 > #121: California's Governor Gray Davis facing recall election | |
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jep
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response 219 of 264:
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Sep 11 13:21 UTC 2003 |
I've heard support for the recall is waning. Heh. Gray Davis will
cite it as a mandate of support for his policies if it fails. I don't
care; that would be better than the aftermath if the recall succeeds.
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gull
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response 220 of 264:
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Sep 11 14:00 UTC 2003 |
Gray Davis is a lousy governor. I'm just not sure any of the
alternatives are less lousy.
I heard on the radio yesterday that some Michigan legislators are
suggesting amending the recall rules to only allow recall elections as
part of a regularly scheduled election. This seems to be a move to
prevent frivilous recalls from costing the state money.
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gelinas
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response 221 of 264:
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Sep 11 15:06 UTC 2003 |
I hope that effort fails. Recall is a way of removing someone -before-
their term expires. Waiting for a regularly scheduled election may be
fine for someone serving a four or six year term, but it's useless for
someone on a two-year term.
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klg
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response 222 of 264:
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Sep 11 16:44 UTC 2003 |
re: "#220 (gull): . . .I heard on the radio yesterday that some
Michigan legislators are suggesting amending the recall rules to only
allow recall elections as part of a regularly scheduled election. This
seems to be a move to prevent frivilous recalls from costing the state
money."
If you are implying that the CA recall vote is not being conducted in
conjunction with a previously scheduled election, then we believe you
are incorrect.
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albaugh
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response 223 of 264:
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Sep 11 16:49 UTC 2003 |
I don't have any problem with a recall vote ("election") being held as soon
as feasible. The part I find insane is holding a simultaneous "successor
election". I hope that Michigan has no such arrangement.
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happyboy
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response 224 of 264:
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Sep 11 18:19 UTC 2003 |
i believe that the whole recall effort is a rich republican
GAME.
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gull
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response 225 of 264:
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Sep 11 19:32 UTC 2003 |
Re #223: I don't think that concept is bad, necessarily. Why wait? I
do think that California set the bar for getting on the ballot a bit
low. Ideally you'd want only serious candidates, not the ridiculous
number that are on there now.
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scg
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response 226 of 264:
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Sep 11 20:11 UTC 2003 |
re 222:
The California recall vote is indeed a special election created just
for the recall. There are a couple of other ballot proposals on the ballot,
but they would have waited until later were it not for the recall election.
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jep
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response 227 of 264:
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Sep 11 21:26 UTC 2003 |
I hope Michigan's replacement-after-recall procedure is more sensible,
too. I hope it takes more than -- what, 66? - signatures to get on the
ballot, for example.
I hope the replacement election takes place after the recall is
complete. Better yet, I hope that there's a succession procedure where
the lieutenant governor, House or Senate leader, 2nd leading vote
getter from the previous election, or *someone* provides for an
immediate replacement. I'm indifferent to whether there's a new
election after that replacement slides into the job.
I hope Michigan's recall procedure requires at least as much support as
does electing the governor in the first place. You ought to have to be
pretty awful to get recalled.
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albaugh
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response 228 of 264:
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Sep 15 17:38 UTC 2003 |
From: <BreakingNews@MAIL.CNN.COM>
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 13:20:05 -0400
Subject: CNN Breaking News
-- Federal appeals court delays California gubernatorial recall election.
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tod
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response 229 of 264:
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Sep 15 17:39 UTC 2003 |
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albaugh
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response 230 of 264:
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Sep 15 17:40 UTC 2003 |
That would only apply to North Carolina. ;-)
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tod
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response 231 of 264:
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Sep 15 17:41 UTC 2003 |
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rcurl
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response 232 of 264:
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Sep 15 17:57 UTC 2003 |
I thought Georgia was heavy in goobers.
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gelinas
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response 233 of 264:
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Sep 15 20:16 UTC 2003 |
(Yeah, but, Goober and his brother Gomer lived in North Carolina.)
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klg
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response 234 of 264:
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Sep 16 02:53 UTC 2003 |
Might anyone know the amount of time that would elapse between the
certification of the CA election results & the assumption of power by
the newly elected governor - assuming Davis were to be recalled?
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scg
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response 235 of 264:
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Sep 16 05:57 UTC 2003 |
It's supposed to be immediate, but I don't know whether that means the next
day, or the next minute, or what.
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gelinas
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response 236 of 264:
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Sep 16 15:44 UTC 2003 |
It would have to wait for the results to be certified, probably by a board
of canvassers. We can expect the necessary people to be present at that
meeting.
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gull
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response 237 of 264:
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Sep 18 14:55 UTC 2003 |
It's starting to look likely that the legal case over the use of
punchcard systems in the recall election will reach the Supreme Court.
This case uses reasoning from Bush v. Gore; it will be interesting to
see if the Supreme Court upholds the same logic when the shoe is on the
other foot, politically. If they vote to allow this election we'll know
once and for all that the Bush v. Gore decision was a political, instead
of a legal, decision.
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klg
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response 238 of 264:
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Sep 18 16:17 UTC 2003 |
Not so fast, please, Mr. gull:
Thanks to Best of the Web, Opinionjournal.com:
Disunity on the Angry Left
By ordering the cancellation of next month's California election, the
Ninth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals has gone too far even for some
members of the Angry Left. Bruce Ackerman of Yale Law School has an op-
ed in today's New York Times that distinguishes the case from Bush v.
Gore, which the Ninth Circuiters mischievously cited as their chief
precedent.
"The present decision attacks states' rights at their very core,"
Ackerman writes. "The short election period is central to California's
political integrity. Its constitution places a limit of six months on
this extraordinary process. By extending the election beyond this
period, the court condemns the state to an extended period of political
paralysis." Ackerman even argues that the ruling is an infringement on
political speech:
[It] disrupts the core First Amendment freedom to present a coherent
political message to voters. Worse yet, the decision disrupts the First
Amendment interests of the millions of Californians who have
participated in the recall effort. State law promised them a quick
election if they completed their petitions by an August deadline. Now
their effort will have to compete in March with the candidates for the
Democratic presidential nomination. A campaign focused on California
issues may be swamped by national politics.
What makes this extraordinary is that Ackerman is one of academia's
shrillest critics of Bush v. Gore; as we noted in April 2001, he went
so far as to liken that ruling to the assassination of Abraham Lincoln.
His willingness to rise above partisanship stands in stark contrast
with the New York Times editorial page . . . .
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i
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response 239 of 264:
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Sep 19 03:22 UTC 2003 |
While everyone gets all excited about this, my impression is that the
decision is, in effect, getting an automatic appeal to a higher court,
and the judges who made it knew very well that that would happen. Also
that California was blowing off a *prior* binding agreement with the
Feds by rushing this election through with the old chadware system.
"It'll be appealed either way, Bob, so just flip a coin."
Is there any real reason (beyond judicial aversion to grubby details)
why they can't hustle in some less flakey voting hardware and run an
election fairly soon?
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bru
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response 240 of 264:
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Sep 19 13:55 UTC 2003 |
the cost and logistics of training people to use a new system?
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gull
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response 241 of 264:
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Sep 19 14:15 UTC 2003 |
Lead time may be an issue, too. I doubt voting machines are mass
produced in large quantities. They're probably built on demand.
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i
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response 242 of 264:
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Sep 20 12:33 UTC 2003 |
Re: #240/241
Since the Chad-o-Matic voting stuff is in it's last days anyway,
they'll have to train folks on the new stuff soon regardless.
Getting the Office of the Undersecretary of the Department of
Red Tape to speed up is often pretty easy when you can apply a
lot of heat and light.
Voting machines spend 'most all their lives in storage, waiting
for an election day. I'd bet that stuff could be borrowed if
really needed.
Yes, getting a move on will cost more somewhere. But how high
is the cost to California's economy of having the uncertainty
hanging over everyone's heads for several extra months?
Probably vastly more.
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rcurl
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response 243 of 264:
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Sep 21 06:11 UTC 2003 |
Why is there any cost of California's economy from "uncertainty"? The
legislature and governor are still doing their jobs.
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