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slynne
response 215 of 264: Mark Unseen   Sep 9 16:25 UTC 2003

I am surprised no one has made a film short called "Total Gubernatorial 
Recall" starring Arnold Schwartzenegger. 
albaugh
response 216 of 264: Mark Unseen   Sep 9 17:02 UTC 2003

Good one!  :-)
scg
response 217 of 264: Mark Unseen   Sep 10 23:23 UTC 2003

Such a film couldn't be shown on TV at the moment due to equal time
provisions, but there have certainly been lots of "total recall" jokes here.
scg
response 218 of 264: Mark Unseen   Sep 11 02:15 UTC 2003

I got my sample ballot in the mail today.

Listed right above Cruz Bustamonte, the Democratic Leutenant Governor, is
"John Christopher Burton, Civil Rights Lawyer."  A different John Burton is
a powerful and well known state senator.  Other famous names on the ballot
include Edward Kennedy, a "businessman/educator;" Robert Dole, a "small
business owner;" and Michael Jackson, a "satellite project manager."  An
engineer named S. Issa is also listed.  Darrel Issa was the guy who organized
the recall but dropped out of the replacement race.  Also on the similar but
not matching a famous name list are Dan Feinstein and Diana Foss, the only
two candidates who don't list occupations.  Porn star Mary Carey is listed
as "Mary 'Mary Carey' Cook."  Since all the candidates with names beginning
with C are grouped together, and aren't in alphabetical order, that may not
actually make it hard for her supporters (if she has any) to find her.

Much press attention a month ago, and a few of the lawsuits trying to delay
the recall, were centered around the consolodation of polling places  to save
preparation time.  Indeed, while my usual polling place is a local elementary
school, my polling place for the recall is listed as the garage of 1515
Francisco Street.
jep
response 219 of 264: Mark Unseen   Sep 11 13:21 UTC 2003

I've heard support for the recall is waning.  Heh.  Gray Davis will 
cite it as a mandate of support for his policies if it fails.  I don't 
care; that would be better than the aftermath if the recall succeeds.
gull
response 220 of 264: Mark Unseen   Sep 11 14:00 UTC 2003

Gray Davis is a lousy governor.  I'm just not sure any of the
alternatives are less lousy.

I heard on the radio yesterday that some Michigan legislators are
suggesting amending the recall rules to only allow recall elections as
part of a regularly scheduled election.  This seems to be a move to
prevent frivilous recalls from costing the state money.
gelinas
response 221 of 264: Mark Unseen   Sep 11 15:06 UTC 2003

I hope that effort fails.  Recall is a way of removing someone -before-
their term expires.  Waiting for a regularly scheduled election may be
fine for someone serving a four or six year term, but it's useless for
someone on a two-year term.
klg
response 222 of 264: Mark Unseen   Sep 11 16:44 UTC 2003

re:  "#220 (gull): . . .I heard on the radio yesterday that some 
Michigan legislators are suggesting amending the recall rules to only 
allow recall elections as part of a regularly scheduled election.  This 
seems to be a move to prevent frivilous recalls from costing the state 
money."

If you are implying that the CA recall vote is not being conducted in 
conjunction with a previously scheduled election, then we believe you 
are incorrect.
albaugh
response 223 of 264: Mark Unseen   Sep 11 16:49 UTC 2003

I don't have any problem with a recall vote ("election") being held as soon
as feasible.  The part I find insane is holding a simultaneous "successor
election".  I hope that Michigan has no such arrangement.
happyboy
response 224 of 264: Mark Unseen   Sep 11 18:19 UTC 2003

i believe that the whole recall effort is a rich republican
GAME.
gull
response 225 of 264: Mark Unseen   Sep 11 19:32 UTC 2003

Re #223: I don't think that concept is bad, necessarily.  Why wait?  I
do think that California set the bar for getting on the ballot a bit
low.  Ideally you'd want only serious candidates, not the ridiculous
number that are on there now.
scg
response 226 of 264: Mark Unseen   Sep 11 20:11 UTC 2003

re 222:
        The California recall vote is indeed a special election created just
for the recall.  There are a couple of other ballot proposals on the ballot,
but they would have waited until later were it not for the recall election.
jep
response 227 of 264: Mark Unseen   Sep 11 21:26 UTC 2003

I hope Michigan's replacement-after-recall procedure is more sensible, 
too.  I hope it takes more than -- what, 66? - signatures to get on the 
ballot, for example.

I hope the replacement election takes place after the recall is 
complete.  Better yet, I hope that there's a succession procedure where 
the lieutenant governor, House or Senate leader, 2nd leading vote 
getter from the previous election, or *someone* provides for an 
immediate replacement.  I'm indifferent to whether there's a new 
election after that replacement slides into the job.

I hope Michigan's recall procedure requires at least as much support as 
does electing the governor in the first place.  You ought to have to be 
pretty awful to get recalled.
albaugh
response 228 of 264: Mark Unseen   Sep 15 17:38 UTC 2003

From: <BreakingNews@MAIL.CNN.COM>
Date:         Mon, 15 Sep 2003 13:20:05 -0400
Subject:      CNN Breaking News

-- Federal appeals court delays California gubernatorial recall election.
tod
response 229 of 264: Mark Unseen   Sep 15 17:39 UTC 2003

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albaugh
response 230 of 264: Mark Unseen   Sep 15 17:40 UTC 2003

That would only apply to North Carolina.  ;-)
tod
response 231 of 264: Mark Unseen   Sep 15 17:41 UTC 2003

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rcurl
response 232 of 264: Mark Unseen   Sep 15 17:57 UTC 2003

I thought Georgia was heavy in goobers.
gelinas
response 233 of 264: Mark Unseen   Sep 15 20:16 UTC 2003

(Yeah, but, Goober and his brother Gomer lived in North Carolina.)
klg
response 234 of 264: Mark Unseen   Sep 16 02:53 UTC 2003

Might anyone know the amount of time that would elapse between the 
certification of the CA election results & the assumption of power by 
the newly elected governor - assuming Davis were to be recalled?
scg
response 235 of 264: Mark Unseen   Sep 16 05:57 UTC 2003

It's supposed to be immediate, but I don't know whether that means the next
day, or the next minute, or what.
gelinas
response 236 of 264: Mark Unseen   Sep 16 15:44 UTC 2003

It would have to wait for the results to be certified, probably by a board
of canvassers.  We can expect the necessary people to be present at that
meeting.
gull
response 237 of 264: Mark Unseen   Sep 18 14:55 UTC 2003

It's starting to look likely that the legal case over the use of
punchcard systems in the recall election will reach the Supreme Court. 
This case uses reasoning from Bush v. Gore; it will be interesting to
see if the Supreme Court upholds the same logic when the shoe is on the
other foot, politically.  If they vote to allow this election we'll know
once and for all that the Bush v. Gore decision was a political, instead
of a legal, decision.
klg
response 238 of 264: Mark Unseen   Sep 18 16:17 UTC 2003

Not so fast, please, Mr. gull:

Thanks to Best of the Web, Opinionjournal.com:

Disunity on the Angry Left
By ordering the cancellation of next month's California election, the 
Ninth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals has gone too far even for some 
members of the Angry Left. Bruce Ackerman of Yale Law School has an op-
ed in today's New York Times that distinguishes the case from Bush v. 
Gore, which the Ninth Circuiters mischievously cited as their chief 
precedent. 

"The present decision attacks states' rights at their very core," 
Ackerman writes. "The short election period is central to California's 
political integrity. Its constitution places a limit of six months on 
this extraordinary process. By extending the election beyond this 
period, the court condemns the state to an extended period of political 
paralysis." Ackerman even argues that the ruling is an infringement on 
political speech:

[It] disrupts the core First Amendment freedom to present a coherent 
political message to voters. Worse yet, the decision disrupts the First 
Amendment interests of the millions of Californians who have 
participated in the recall effort. State law promised them a quick 
election if they completed their petitions by an August deadline. Now 
their effort will have to compete in March with the candidates for the 
Democratic presidential nomination. A campaign focused on California 
issues may be swamped by national politics.

What makes this extraordinary is that Ackerman is one of academia's 
shrillest critics of Bush v. Gore; as we noted in April 2001, he went 
so far as to liken that ruling to the assassination of Abraham Lincoln. 
His willingness to rise above partisanship stands in stark contrast 
with the New York Times editorial page . . . .
i
response 239 of 264: Mark Unseen   Sep 19 03:22 UTC 2003

While everyone gets all excited about this, my impression is that the
decision is, in effect, getting an automatic appeal to a higher court,
and the judges who made it knew very well that that would happen.  Also
that California was blowing off a *prior* binding agreement with the
Feds by rushing this election through with the old chadware system.
"It'll be appealed either way, Bob, so just flip a coin."

Is there any real reason (beyond judicial aversion to grubby details)
why they can't hustle in some less flakey voting hardware and run an
election fairly soon?
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