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Grex > Music2 > #279: Napster: Thieves or Coolness? |  |
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ashke
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response 21 of 206:
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Sep 7 19:31 UTC 2000 |
<adjusts her eyepatch> Arrrrrrrr
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jerryr
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response 22 of 206:
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Sep 7 21:52 UTC 2000 |
bill clinton is my personal savior. has been since he became president. the
only thing i ever faulted him for was his choice of sluts. i have been
converted to nothing. sorry to disappoint.
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slynne
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response 23 of 206:
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Sep 7 21:55 UTC 2000 |
I have never downloaded anything from napster and I didnt vote for Bill
Clinton in the last election.
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jerryr
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response 24 of 206:
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Sep 7 21:57 UTC 2000 |
nice try, but he won anyway.
(ok, i stole that line from the west wing, but it's a great line)
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iggy
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response 25 of 206:
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Sep 7 22:28 UTC 2000 |
i thought monica was kind of cute
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jerryr
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response 26 of 206:
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Sep 7 23:20 UTC 2000 |
you would
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anderyn
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response 27 of 206:
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Sep 8 00:43 UTC 2000 |
Bill Clinton has always squicked me out. I never could understand how any
woman could think him attractive or how anyone could believe his campaign
promises the second time around.
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mcnally
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response 28 of 206:
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Sep 8 01:00 UTC 2000 |
I'm not sure that anyone *did* believe his campaign promises the second
time around. The problem is, many people *did* believe Bob Dole would
do what he said, and they apparently didn't like it..
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beeswing
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response 29 of 206:
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Sep 8 03:25 UTC 2000 |
I am giddly upon seeing the phrase "squicked me out". :)
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krj
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response 30 of 206:
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Sep 8 03:41 UTC 2000 |
Does anyone want to talk about Napster?
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krj
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response 31 of 206:
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Sep 8 04:51 UTC 2000 |
Here's a topic which came up in party today. The process of taking a
CD and turning its tracks into MP3 files is known as "ripping."
(A question for the resident Grammar Bitches, if they are still here:
Do you say, "I'm going to rip a few CDs?" or "I'm going to rip
a few MP3's?") I've always assumed that the derivation of the
term "ripping" was from the 1960s slang "rip off," meaning to steal,
and this would imply that the people who coined the term had some
perspective on intellectual property rights.
Is "rip off" the correct etymology, or is there another derivation
for "ripping?"
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beeswing
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response 32 of 206:
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Sep 8 05:22 UTC 2000 |
Not sure. I don't think it matters :)
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bdh3
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response 33 of 206:
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Sep 8 09:17 UTC 2000 |
Hypothetically I have a 'cd' of 'Shanghai Noon' that I paid good money
for (about 1.25$US and I paid much more than I should have as I am
'rich') in Hefei, An Wei, PRC. Its not a DVD, its a VCD
that plays equally well in a DVD as well as the CD of my PC. The DVD
of the VCD has not been 'released' as it is still playing in the
theatres in the US and has not been released foreign. In addition to
the English dialog, and the subtitled mandarin the VCD also has
subtitled fukienese and malay and 'dubbed mandarin' for the english as
options. My only gripe is that it is not 'letterboxed', but whaddayah
expect for one dollar and two bits. Now, just between you and me this
flik is not exactly on the top of the list of whats-her-name will allow
me to spend 50 bucks US$ to go see in a US theater on a 'date night'.
(instead we save money and go see 'art' shit.)
Granted this is not 'revenue' that the original studio might have
collected in any of its traditional distribution channels, but is it
really 'stealing'? Its not even in the same market format the the
studio is gonna release 'legitimate' copies of/in. Oh, and I don't
even own a DVD. (I don't even have cable.) As near as I can figure
there is no way that in controlled/traditional distribution methods the
studio has a chance in hell of collecting $ from me, thus it has no
'damages'. I might even mention to friends/co-workers that it is a
pretty good flik and thus the studio benefits from the 'buzz' in that
filk that I don't dupe copies of the VCD to might actually go pay the
50 bucks for a 'night on the town' or at least view it on TV whenever
it is released if it is. No foul, no harm?
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danr
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response 34 of 206:
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Sep 8 16:03 UTC 2000 |
I read somewhere--I think in the AA News--that someone did a study of how well
recent presidents did keeping their campaign promises. Surprise! Clinton
topped the list at something like 69%. Reagan was near the bottom; I forget his
score, though.
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jerryr
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response 35 of 206:
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Sep 8 16:46 UTC 2000 |
i'd love to read that.
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mcnally
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response 36 of 206:
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Sep 8 17:51 UTC 2000 |
re #33: So your argument is that it's not stealing because you were
never going to buy it anyway?
Out of curiosity, how much of that $1.25 do you think went to the studio?
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ea
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response 37 of 206:
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Sep 8 18:11 UTC 2000 |
Here's a great example of why Napster should be allowed: I just ordered
a Captain Tractor cd. Without Napster, I'd have probably never heard
any Captain Tractor songs, and I would not be buying the CD. In this
case, after stealing the music (actually only one song), I'm paying for
it.
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slynne
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response 38 of 206:
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Sep 8 18:58 UTC 2000 |
Thats an argument for why it might be in the best interests of record
companies to tolerate the stealing that goes on on Napster. I am sure they
have considered it but have decided that the costs outweigh the benefits.
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scott
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response 39 of 206:
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Sep 8 18:59 UTC 2000 |
"Mp3 is radio" is one argument I've heard, but the record companies are pretty
much going after anything at all. The real issue is precendent, not fairness.
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anderyn
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response 40 of 206:
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Sep 8 19:05 UTC 2000 |
Definitely read the Atlantic Monthly article on this. It's online at the
Atlantic website, and it has some fascinating data and historical precedent
that I'd never heard before. Pirating of music is nothing new, just in a new
format.
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rcurl
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response 41 of 206:
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Sep 8 19:13 UTC 2000 |
You can listen to any CD in a record store before buying - to preview
it. I'd think record companies might allow this over the web, if it
is done once, and not recorded. (You can't make a copy of the CD in
a record store!). Then, ea could have sampled Captain Tractor, and
bought the CD because he wanted a copy. So, would you agree that it
would be OK if all downloaded music automatically expired after
one listening, and could not be saved or copied?
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krj
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response 42 of 206:
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Sep 8 19:18 UTC 2000 |
"You can listen to any CD in a record store before buying - to
preview it." Where???? The last CD shop in Michigan which I know
allowed unlimited previewing was CD Emporium in East Lansing, and
they closed a decade ago.
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ea
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response 43 of 206:
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Sep 8 19:24 UTC 2000 |
No. Using your logic, a person can spend a fair amount of time in the
record store, just listening to the same CD over and over. You can go
back the next day and still listen some more if you want to. (as long as
the manager doesn't kick you out) Yes, you have to spend time driving
to the store, but generally, that would not be nearly as long as it
takes to download a file.
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ea
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response 44 of 206:
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Sep 8 19:24 UTC 2000 |
(Ken slipped in)
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anderyn
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response 45 of 206:
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Sep 8 19:50 UTC 2000 |
I guess I've been spoiled by my T1 connection. When I've d'loaded music
before, from sites which WERE legal (mp3.com artist's sites, the virtual
filksing, and Dougie's, etc.), it's taken maybe five minutes when I've done
mass d'loads.
I think the mp3 site's idea is good -- at least the one I've used -- which
is to allow various artists to put songs on line so people can hear them, or
download them, and to sell DAM cd's by those artists for a small amount of
money. That way, they get exposure, and those people who LIKE their stuff will
buy it. At least, the honest ones. (I've gotten one DAM cd from there, from
a Welsh singer named Jodee James, and it's *very* excellent.)
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