jaklumen
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response 25 of 32:
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Jan 13 13:57 UTC 2002 |
something like that, but it's not purely voyeurism, either. I mean,
you've noticed there *is* the option to meet, and then, that reminds
me more of how people typically meet over the Internet, except the
picture is presented right up front, first.
I'm sure we're on the same wavelength-- you understand what I mean?
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jazz
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response 26 of 32:
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Jan 14 15:53 UTC 2002 |
Maybe not ... the horornot sites I've seen are thrown together sites,
with pictures of various people, willing, unwilling, known, unknown ... and
there's no option to meet them because anyone could send in any picture, and
it might not even be of a human bieng, if the site author thinks it's funny
enough to include in the series.
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jaklumen
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response 31 of 32:
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Jan 25 13:52 UTC 2002 |
I've mulled over the issue once again, and think I understand my own
stance more clearly.
First of all, I think it's possible to have dependence/addiction in
this area, so it is possible for consumptors to be therefore harmed.
Before someone responds to this right away, consider that nicotine and
alcohol are much more socially acceptable, but still carry addictive
risk for some people, especially the former. I'll say that for
cannabis, too.
What is defined as erotica, I think, tends to be media where
connections to any real people are obscured, untraceable, or
simply 'coincidental,' as the general film industry puts it in legal
terms. It's much more abstract and surreal.
However, my ideal is still internal in focus; I think I'm happier when
I don't focus on external sources. In other words, I have enjoyed
self-made erotica where Julie and I were more or less the only
subjects, and I remember that we usually felt awkward when there were
other characters. I think that's probably the extent of it; we both
have had problems with being too involved in anything that was too
external. So I'd say that imagination and fantasy is *very* good, but
it doesn't hurt to keep it focused on a working relationship as much
as possible.
(I suppose views on autoeroticism could be considered here, but no
comment at the moment.)
To tighten the conversational thread back what was currently
discussed, I don't think voyeurism is really all that healthy, because
it is such partial gratification, and subjects aren't necesarily
willing, but more especially, they aren't participating. I think real-
time hooching, cruising, or whatever *is* healthy, as long as both
parties feel gratified and enriched. If a smile, wolf whistle, cat
call, or whatever makes both parties' days, then it's good. But I
think it's easier to control outside of cyberspace.
I will admit that webcams and amateur party phone sex lines might
provide gratification for both parties involved. I remember calling a
gay party line once, with Julie's permission, and well, we eventually
just got into each other, and we giggled at the response we were
getting from the guys that were actually interested in what we were
supposedly doing. Gays for pay, I guess, that were refreshed by the
change of pace. My view has changed that I wouldn't do that now, but,
for the moment, it seemed all were getting something.
My point is that I see now that relationship parameters are helpful
when considering whether or not to consume such media. My observation
is that it usually declines (on the whole) for both men and women when
they are involved in a gratifying, satisfying relationship. If it is
still consumed, it is usually used as a part of it, not
independently. Again, I tend to espouse a more internal focus.
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jazz
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response 32 of 32:
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Jan 25 19:50 UTC 2002 |
It's kind of hard to say whether or not voyeurism is partially
fulfilling for a given person; so many people have damag ... er, different
sexual psyches, that for a given person, voyeurism might be the only way they
can achieve sexual satisfaction. Hopefully they can find a consenting
partner, because otherwise they're achieving sexual satisfaction at someone
else's expense, and without their consent, though the harm be minimal compared
to violent assault or rape.
I'm pretty sure that excessive porn use has detrimental effects, but
it's difficult to seperate from other factors; people in healthy
relationships don't tend to be porn addicts, the same way that healthy
well-adjusted people don't tend to be junkies. Some of the social problems
of porn addicts can therefore be ascribed to porn, but some of them are by
definition of a pre-existing condition.
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