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keesan
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response 209 of 290:
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Mar 8 14:29 UTC 2006 |
The INSTALL file said to just 'make', not make config or configure. Do the
kernel headers come with a .config file or would I need to get hold of the
one used to compile the 2.4 kernel I will use with this module and copy that
to /build along with kernel headers?
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jep
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response 210 of 290:
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Mar 8 15:19 UTC 2006 |
My circumstances are that I have a wireless network with 3 (soon to be
4) computers sharing cable modem service. I use the Internet a fair
amount and so do the kids, for e-mail, music downloads, games, on-line
banking, chat, random browsing and homework. If I need WEP, I guess
I'll figure out what it is and how to install it or turn it on. If I
need more than that, please someone let me know. I will appreciate it
very much!
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keesan
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response 211 of 290:
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Mar 8 19:40 UTC 2006 |
I installed kernel-headers and they did not go into /lib/modules/2.4.31/build,
where .config was supposed to show up, so I also apparently need kernel source
code, or at least the .config file from it. In addition, the 2.4.31 kernel
headers overwrite the ones in /usr/src/linux-2.2.16/include/linux (because
of the way the symlinks are set up, because they installed into
/usr/include/linux, which is symlinked to
/usr/src/linux-2.2.16/include/linux). Will this be a problem if I want to
compile another 2.2.16 kernel some time? They are dated 1998-2005 and have
no mention of the kernel version, so maybe they are just updates that will
also work with older versions.
I need to get hold of the 37MB of source code now.
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kingjon
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response 212 of 290:
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Mar 8 19:42 UTC 2006 |
/lib/modules/<kernel-version>/build, if it exists, should be a symlink to
/usr/src/linux-<version>. Did you look there?
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keesan
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response 213 of 290:
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Mar 8 20:32 UTC 2006 |
There is no such symlink on my computer, should I make one? I now have 2.4.31
kernel headers in the 2.2.16 directory. Should I rename it, and then
reinstall 2.2.16, and make the symlink? I tried making the symlink and since
I don't have kernel source on this computer yet there is no .config file.
It would be easier to get an older wireless card from ebay than to get this
stupid WIndows one to work with linux.
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nharmon
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response 214 of 290:
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Mar 9 00:47 UTC 2006 |
Orinoco wireless cards work very well with Linux.
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keesan
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response 215 of 290:
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Mar 9 04:10 UTC 2006 |
Do you have an extra one you want to give us? It is against our rules to buy
anything we can get for free. Jim is going to modify keyboard plugs to make
180 degree 5-pin DINs and maybe chop the 15-pin DB off a joystick. First he
has to remove the rubber outer part of a roller to try to make a subpad out
of it for a laser printer that feeds all the sheets at once. THe official
replacement costs $10.50 plus shipping. In the meantime he has had it apart
a few times to clean it, and I feed one page at a time. And someone returned
a working laser printer we lent them in 2001.
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tod
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response 216 of 290:
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Mar 9 04:38 UTC 2006 |
It is against our rules to buy
anything we can get for free.
Amen!
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ball
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response 217 of 290:
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Mar 9 06:43 UTC 2006 |
Re #202: Only two wires connected all the way through, not
counting the shield which you only connect at one end.
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nharmon
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response 218 of 290:
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Mar 9 12:49 UTC 2006 |
Sorry, all I have is a Linksys 802.11G card. It is why I have to run
Windows XP on my laptop. :(
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twenex
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response 219 of 290:
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Mar 9 13:33 UTC 2006 |
Grr. tell me about it. I have an internal card that is turned off and on via
a switch that appears not to work in FreeBSD (or Linux). After days of trying
to get the damn thing to work, I gave up and created a VMWare guest for it.
Works great!
Tip: set the applications priority in the task manager to "RealTime"
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fudge
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response 220 of 290:
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Mar 9 13:36 UTC 2006 |
re#218: no ndiswrapper?
#219: what card?
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nharmon
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response 221 of 290:
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Mar 9 14:21 UTC 2006 |
ndiswrapper is a resource hog and my laptop isn't that fast. :)
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ball
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response 222 of 290:
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Mar 9 17:03 UTC 2006 |
I have to buy a couple of wireless ethernet adaptors. One
will be USB since my iBook doesn't have PC-Card or Cardbus
slots. I could conceivably add an internal Airport card, but
a USB adaptor is more portable between machines. It will
almost certainly be a Linksys WUSB11, since that's one that
NetBSD supports. The other could be PCI, but I don't know
yet which to buy.
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keesan
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response 223 of 290:
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Mar 9 20:06 UTC 2006 |
I may have the same Linksys card. Maybe those of you more knowledgeable can
compile that rtl8180.o module for your own systems, if not mine. I just tried
to recompile a 2.4.31 kernel and it no longer recognizes memory cards so I
added back a few things I had taken out (having to do with USB storage) and
recompiled it and now the modules again. If this works I will make one try
at the module but I compiled a kernel without Wireless LAN support to make
it smaller and would have to recompile it one more time. I had no idea which
device we have in their list so I said N instead of Y or M.
We do have a Win98 laptop computer from the neighbor and will try the card
in there at the library, for educational purposes (and we can download linux
kernel source code with it there via 98SE).
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marcvh
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response 224 of 290:
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Mar 9 20:14 UTC 2006 |
Oh, back on the issue of a la carte cable channels, recent news reports
have confirmed what I've always suspect but hadn't seen in print -- the
biggest single reason why basic cable costs so much is ESPN. It's the
most expensive channel in the typical basic lineup, $2-3 per month
even though only something like 30% of the households paying for it
actually watch it, and the cost gets even worse when you bundle in the
other critical add-ons like ESPN2 and The Golf Channel (myself I'd
rather watch The Flannel Channel.)
Apparently the FCC has started to warm up to the idea of a la carte, but
I still suspect it will get derailed somehow. Disney will lose billions
in market cap if they can't continue making money from people who don't
watch. But I'll just put those extra costs on my mental list along with
the taxes I'm paying to make payments on the Kingdome and such.
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twenex
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response 225 of 290:
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Mar 9 23:38 UTC 2006 |
Re: #222. That depends on what drivers you want to use. If you want to use
the madwife (aka madwifi) drivers (or their NetBSD equivalent, whatever that
may be), then I suggest looking VERY HARD at compatbility and getting, if at
all possible, a guarantee from the vendor that if the card does not work *on
NetBSD* then you may return it. Given that I believe the problem with my
broadcom internal wireless card was the on-off switch built in to th laptop;
that an external card of any sort shouldn't have one; and that i downloaded
broadcom chipset drivers from linksys which appeared to interface well with
the card, i should say that linksys drivers with an external wifi card and
ndiswrapper should work a charm. (ndiswrapper is a wrapper for proprietary
windows network drivers which, by emulating the Windows Network Device
Interface System, trick the drivers into thinking they are running on Windows
instead of Linux or the BSDs.)
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keesan
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response 226 of 290:
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Mar 10 00:50 UTC 2006 |
How much memory does ndiswrapper take up? Our best laptop has 32MB.
Someone at my linux list will give another try at rtl8180 driver. My 2.4.31
kernel works with glibc but not libc5 linux, don't know why, and finds the
USB memory stick, but I have no idea how to compile for PCMCIA so can't use
the wireless card with it if I compile it for 2.4.31 (which INSTALL says
requires hacking, 2.6 does not).
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ball
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response 227 of 290:
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Mar 10 06:47 UTC 2006 |
ndiswrapper sounds hideous. The vast majority of vendors,
when asked about NetBSD, Linux or whatever will simply say
"we only support MS Windows". My understanding is that the
WUSB11 is supported by NetBSD's native atu(4) driver, but
there is always the risk that a vendor will switch chipsets
without changing a product's model number or packaging.
Gits.
I faced a similar risk with a recent webcam purchase.
Happily the NetBSD people were kind enough to bring the
spcaview in pkgsrc up to the latest version, which included
support for my camera.
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mcnally
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response 228 of 290:
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Mar 10 07:04 UTC 2006 |
re #227: there's nothing particularly awful about ndiswrapper
and it's very, very useful in cases where the manufacturer (I'm
looking at *YOU*, Broadcom..) won't release details necessary
to implement a native driver.
The Dell laptop I use for work has a built-in broadcom wireless
chip that isn't supported by Linux except through ndiswrapper.
However with the hardware emulation mode that ndiswrapper provides
it works very well (better, seemingly, than it does in Windows,
as odd as that may be..)
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twenex
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response 229 of 290:
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Mar 10 15:35 UTC 2006 |
Re: #226. Sorry, I've no idea how much memory ndiswrapper takes up, as I'm
not using it at the moment. But my comments on the subject were addressed to
ball.
Re: #227. More hideous than running UN*X under VMware? More hideous than
having no net access or not running UN*X at all?
Re: 228, Broadcom: Let's look together.
re: 228, ndiswrapper: Hah. Hahah. Hahahah. Oh, I larfed.
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keesan
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response 230 of 290:
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Mar 10 16:02 UTC 2006 |
Somebody with ndiswrapper please let us know its memory usage before I bother
with it. DSL (50MB of Debian on live CD) may support it if you download an
extra package of applications. Ubuntu Live might support it too, but we don't
have 128MB of RAM on our laptops to run that huge GUI in (it won't run at all
with less, not sure if DSL will accept 32MB). I will try the card once in
Win98 at the public library.
My 2.4.31 kernel won't work at all with USB - crashes with uhci. I modelled
it on something that works and just added usb-uhci (as module) and removed
a bunch of things that did not look essential (various USB scanners, cameras,
serial adaptors, ISDN modems). My kernel config is at
http://keesan.freeshell.org/bl/2.4.31/configsy.431 - all help appreciated.
And when I tried using this setup to compile rtl8180 it would not compile
anyway and INSTALL says I need to hack Makefile for 2.4, and 2.6 is easier.
2.6 takes too much RAM and is ridiculous for a 100MHz laptop computer.
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ball
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response 231 of 290:
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Mar 10 17:57 UTC 2006 |
Re #229: More hideous than finding natively supported hard-
ware, although in some cases (such as hardware built into
laptops) I can see that's not always practical.
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cross
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response 232 of 290:
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Mar 10 21:29 UTC 2006 |
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nharmon
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response 233 of 290:
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Mar 10 22:21 UTC 2006 |
> And Running Unix sucks.
As opposed to what? Windows?
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