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Grex > Helpers > #144: Grex System Problems - Fall 2005 | |
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steve
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response 200 of 276:
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Dec 13 05:53 UTC 2005 |
There is a fix for the softdep problem in 3.8-stable. I will
see about creating a new kernel tomrorow.
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rksjr2
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response 201 of 276:
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Dec 13 08:42 UTC 2005 |
Incidentally, thank you to staff for repairing the Lynx browser circa
December 1; it's working better than it has for many months.
I have not been able to post messages in the PicoSpan bbs from my other
account (rksjr), and am only able to do so now from a new account
(rksjr2).
My attempts to post messages (while in the rksjr account) in the bbs
system via the "r" command have yielded the following:
>Respond, pass, forget, quit, or ? for more options? r
>Got error 2 (No such file or directory) in unlinking edit buffer
>Can't creat edit buffer
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>Respond, pass, forget, quit, or ? for more options?
Also, my attempts to access other conferences while in the rksjr account
(similarly in PicoSpan), for example the Co-op conference, have yielded
the following:
>Ok: join coop
>Got error 69 (Disk quota exceeded) in writing participation file
Does anyone else have similar problems using the respond command or
accessing other conferences?
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twenex
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response 202 of 276:
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Dec 13 13:21 UTC 2005 |
Thanks for getting Grex back up and running, STeve.
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nharmon
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response 203 of 276:
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Dec 13 13:39 UTC 2005 |
Thanks Steve.
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keesan
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response 204 of 276:
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Dec 13 14:49 UTC 2005 |
That is great news about the crash being due to software not hardware.
But my 'ISP' (WCC) connection is still connecting via ssh at speeds that
are frequently 200 bytes/sec, when it is not stalling, and I would also
greatly appreciate a working modem, and wlevak might be willing to go out
there with someone and work on the problem (and then use grex as his
connection to get info on the 33.3K modem bank which he had nearly gotten
working when he lost grex access).
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albaugh
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response 205 of 276:
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Dec 13 23:59 UTC 2005 |
I'm wondering if lowclass didn't realize that all user mail had been zapped?
That would account for no "inbox" (file).
In other news, grex is not just about saving money any way it can. It has
a mission, part of which is providing free dial-up access. That involves an
expense to grex which must come from a funding source, namely its members.
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tod
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response 206 of 276:
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Dec 14 06:51 UTC 2005 |
In other news, grex is not just about saving money any way it can. It has
a mission, part of which is providing free dial-up access.
Dialup is part of the mission? What part of the bylaws is that in?
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rcurl
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response 207 of 276:
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Dec 14 07:15 UTC 2005 |
Bylaws and mission statements are two different things, so I would not
expect the bylaws to address the mission. However - does Grex have a mission
statement?
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remmers
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response 208 of 276:
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Dec 14 13:04 UTC 2005 |
Closest thing to a mission statement I know of is Article 2 of the
Articles of Incorporation:
The Corporation is organized for such charitable and
educational purposes as may qualify it for exemption from the
federal income tax under Section 501(c)3 of the Internal
Revenue Code of 1986, as amended (or the corresponding
provisions of any future United States internal revenue law.)
More specifically, such purposes include, but are not limited
to, the advancement of public education and scientific
endeavor through interaction with computers, and humans via
computers, using computer conferencing. Further purposes
include the exchange of scientific and technical information
about the various aspects of computer science, such as
operating systems, computer networks, and computer
programming.
Pretty general, and there's nothing there about connection methods. Of
course, that doesn't change the fact that we should get dialup working.
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nharmon
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response 209 of 276:
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Dec 14 13:42 UTC 2005 |
> In other news, grex is not just about saving money any way it can.
It isn't just a matter of saving money. It is about maximizing Grex's capital
assets in order to maximize its effectiveness in meeting its purpose.
Paying for dialup lines, and diverting staff time to modem maintenance seems
like a waste of resources. Grex is a computer system that serves users
worldwide, but only provides local access in Ann Arbor.
From "Grex's Limitations" as displayed to new users:
"Grex is primarily a computer conferencing system. Note that
WE ARE NOT AN INTERNET PROVIDER."
If Grex is "NOT AN INTERNET PROVIDER" it seems that there is not much of a
reason to keep dialup lines.
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keesan
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response 210 of 276:
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Dec 14 16:45 UTC 2005 |
There are several paying grexers without ISP accounts who might stop paying
if they lost modem access permanently. I much prefer to direct dial. My
school internet connection is very erratic. Also we have set up several
nonpaying grex users with email, who had no internet connection. Some of them
became paying members, some got ISP accounts, but there was no other way we
could have let them try out the internet for free. I am supposed to set up
another neighbor with a grex account but the modems don't work. It takes only
four members to support one phone line.
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mary
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response 211 of 276:
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Dec 14 16:52 UTC 2005 |
Sindi, how often do you get a busy signal? I'm wondering if we could
justify going to one dialin line.
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cross
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response 212 of 276:
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Dec 14 16:54 UTC 2005 |
This response has been erased.
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keesan
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response 213 of 276:
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Dec 14 17:03 UTC 2005 |
I know of one paying member who is not paying until the modems work again,
one who has no idea how to telnet to grex so has not been able to read email
for a month, one who has no home internet access without modems (I think they
want the kids not to see pictures online) and there must be others who cannot
participate in this discussion for obvious reasons.
I was getting busy signals about once a week but I pity anyone who would try
to get on when I get interested in researching something online. The busy
signals were with two modems (not necessarily both working).
Arbornet eliminated dialins entirely. I used to dial them when grex was busy.
Sometimes my ISP is not working at all (or I get busy signals when most of
their hardware is not working).
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rcurl
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response 214 of 276:
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Dec 14 17:34 UTC 2005 |
"Grex is a computer system that serves users worldwide, but only provides
local access in Ann Arbor", and is supported primarily by Ann Arbor users.
At least put those modems back into use (which we are still paying for,
aren't we?), and take a poll of users. Of course, the longer they are
not operable, the more dial-in users we are probably losing. (Could this
be a plot to get rid of dial-in users???)
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nharmon
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response 215 of 276:
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Dec 14 18:00 UTC 2005 |
I agree with Rane, if we're paying for them, we might as well have them
running.
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naftee
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response 216 of 276:
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Dec 14 23:07 UTC 2005 |
I think we should e-mail all the paying members and ask them if they are using
the dialin modems.
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nharmon
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response 217 of 276:
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Dec 15 16:01 UTC 2005 |
What about non-paying members?
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rcurl
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response 218 of 276:
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Dec 15 17:07 UTC 2005 |
They aren't members, but they are users, and deserve the same consideration
since membership is not a requirement for use of the system.
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davel
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response 219 of 276:
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Dec 15 17:11 UTC 2005 |
$ uptime
12:08PM up 2 days, 14:53, 20 users, load averages: 28.15, 28.14, 28.02
Why does the Grex status web page still say Grex is down?
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tod
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response 220 of 276:
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Dec 15 19:38 UTC 2005 |
I do not think it makes sense to support the dial in lines since they are only
local to Ann Arbor users. It seems like a waste of financial resources.
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rcurl
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response 221 of 276:
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Dec 15 20:19 UTC 2005 |
Most of the dues income also comes from "local to Ann Arbor users". While
I usually ssh in, I do try dialin if Grex is not accessible via the
internet as just maybe it is an internet problem. Also, earlier, I asked
if staff needs the dialins for servicing the system - what is the answer
to that?
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tod
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response 222 of 276:
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Dec 15 20:24 UTC 2005 |
Are donations for Cyberspace Communications earmarked for Ann Arbor dialup
users or just Ann Arbor users in general? If that's the case, let me know.
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nharmon
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response 223 of 276:
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Dec 15 20:25 UTC 2005 |
Well, there is talk about putting in a 2nd system for firewall and proxy of
Grex's internet connection. They could also be used as a sort of "staging
area" for any staff maintenance that might be needed.
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rcurl
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response 224 of 276:
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Dec 15 20:34 UTC 2005 |
So, do staff need the dialins now, or don't they?
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