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wh
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response 200 of 216:
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Nov 14 03:32 UTC 2000 |
Someone from Palm Beach County said on NPR tonight said they hope
to have the manual recount done by 9 pm Sunday. The secretary of state
is insisting on all results being turned in by 5 pm Tuesday.
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gelinas
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response 201 of 216:
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Nov 14 04:59 UTC 2000 |
Re 199: And Grover Cleveland failed to be re-elected, and then got the
office back four years later. Yes, a candidate _can_ come back, but it's
not easy. Cleveland and Nixon are notable as exceptions.
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polygon
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response 202 of 216:
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Nov 14 05:08 UTC 2000 |
Nixon and Gore also have unappealing public personalities in common.
Cleveland won in 1892, yes, but he could not have been nominated again
in 1896 -- even if he had wanted to -- because the Democratic Party was
taken over by the silver advocates by then. Cleveland was what they
used to call a Gold Democrat.
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albaugh
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response 203 of 216:
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Nov 14 05:10 UTC 2000 |
> The secretary of state is insisting on all results being turned in by
5 pm Tuesday. <
And that would be because that's the state law in Florida.
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gelinas
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response 204 of 216:
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Nov 14 05:14 UTC 2000 |
OK, so I don't know the dates so many started their service. Mentioning '96
and silver reminds me of "you shall not crucify man on a cross of gold"
(roughly). Which means that was the year McKinley won, so Cleveland's terms
were 1874 and 1892? With Harrison winning in 1878?
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polygon
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response 205 of 216:
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Nov 14 05:14 UTC 2000 |
Re 203. The attorney for the Florida association of election officials
(who sounded like more a practical than a partisan guy, which is what
you'd expect of someone in that position) says that there is a
contradiction in state law: there is provision for holding recounts but
not time allowed to conduct them.
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polygon
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response 206 of 216:
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Nov 14 05:18 UTC 2000 |
Re 204. Cleveland was elected in 1884 and served 1885-89. Benjamin
Harrison was elected (with fewer popular votes than Cleveland) in 1888
and served 1889-93. Cleveland was again elected in 1892 and served
1893-97. 1896 was the year of the "Cross of Gold" speech, and William
Jennnings Bryan was nominated by the Democrats; McKinley was elected,
and served 1897-1901. McKinley was re-elected in 1900 and assassinated
in 1901. Theodore Roosevelt became president when McKinley died.
Clear as mud?
1884 was the year of "Ma, Ma, Where's My Pa?" (Cleveland was said to
have fathered a child out of wedlock) and "Rum, Romanism, and Rebellion"
(an anti-Catholic minister who supported Blaine said that the Democratic
Party was the party of those 3 R's, and helped tip Irish Catholics into
Cleveland's camp).
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gelinas
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response 207 of 216:
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Nov 14 05:25 UTC 2000 |
I dropped a decade. We all know I can't add. :)
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senna
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response 208 of 216:
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Nov 14 05:55 UTC 2000 |
I don't think Bush would necessarily be the choice nominee in the next
election, should he lose; the fervor over John McCain is bound to turn *some*
GOP heads. Especially after such unspectacular candidates failed to press
their numerous opportunities to take a clear lead.
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rcurl
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response 209 of 216:
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Nov 14 07:14 UTC 2000 |
Re #202: I think that Gore's public personality has *vastly improved* now that
the campaign is over! People were always saying he is quite an engaging man,
but he didn't come across that way in debate or orating on the campaign
trail. I think we will see (another) different Gore, now. He seems to be
a man whose manner shifts unconsciously depending upon the situation he
is in. This might be why he is accused of "reinventing himself". It may
actually be an interesting personality characteristic, and may even be
predictable.
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aaron
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response 210 of 216:
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Nov 14 15:02 UTC 2000 |
At the court hearing on the deadline for return of the recount, it was
pointed out that there are two contrary provisions of Florida election law,
one stating that vote counts returned after the seven-day deadline must be
excluded, and one stating that they *may* be excluded. The judge was
reportedly curious as to why the 7-day deadline was so important, when the
election could not be concluded until Friday due to write-in votes. The
state did not have a good answer. The judge was also curious as to how the
contest procedure set forth by statute could be observed in a county as
large as Palm Beach County, if the time constraints prevented any manual
recount from being conducted. Apparently, the state tried to argue that the
need for finality overrides the need to conduct full recounts. A ruling
is supposed to be issued at 10:30 this morning.
Somebody told me that Gore is introverted by nature, and is uncomfortable
with his public personality. His "reinventing himself" may be more of a
reflection of that discomfort, and his trying to find a comfort level, than
anything else.
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janc
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response 211 of 216:
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Nov 14 15:50 UTC 2000 |
Apparantly several Florida counties, including Palm Beach, have halted the
manual recounts, being intimidated by the threats not to count any counties
that turn in their results after 5pm today.
Another crystal ball prediction: Jeb Bush is *not* getting re-elected in
Florida after this campaign by the Florida Republicans to not count the votes
of their constituents. I predict a "count *this* vote, Mr Bush" movement.
A musical interlude:
An exerpt from "Duet for One" from Leonard Bernstein's "White House Cantata"
in which the same singer sings the role of the outgoing First Lady Julia
Grant and the incoming First Lady Lucy Hayes. Rutherford Hayes ran against
Tilden in an election that has vague points of familiarity. Read Clinton
for Grant, and variously Bush/Gore for Hayes/Tilden.
MRS GRANT:
Is it Hayes or is it Tilden?
Somehow no one seems to know.
Thirteen weeks for counting ballots
I would say is rather slow.
I have packed up all the bourbon,
Told them where to send the mail,
While the people march in circles
Wondering who the hell to hail!
CHORUS:
Hail! Who?
Hail! Who?
Hail to the man who...
Hail!
Without whom...
Hail!
Who needs no...
Hail!
The man I am proud to...
Hail!
It gives me....
Hail!
I give you...
Rutherford B. Hayes!
MRS. GRANT:
Not Rutherford B. Hayes!
CHORUS:
Hail Hayes!
Praise Hayes!
MRS. GRANT:
Good God.
[...]
MRS. GRANT:
He's making the oath a four-letter word,
And making the eagle a hawk.
He thinks no one knows what really occured,
But I do and I'm dying to talk. Yah!
They counted the ballots and when they were done.
Oo ow! Oo ow!
Far behind Tilden had Rutherford run.
Meow! Meow!
So they counted again, again one by one,
They counted and counted 'til Rutherford won.
And now
That dow
Is the
MRS. HAYES:
First lady, first lady,
Very first lady of the land.
The bouquet of bouuquets,
I'm the whole U.S.A.'s
Lucy Hayes!
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brighn
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response 212 of 216:
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Nov 16 00:04 UTC 2000 |
The relevant statute regarding yesterday's deadline in Florida has the modal
MAY: Votes turned in after 5pm on the 7th day after the election MAY be
ignored, and the Election Official for the state MAY use the records already
on file. MAY. NOT MUST.
There's no contradiction. If the county officials take too long getting their
results in, the Sec. of State has the right to ignore them. If the county
officials are taking a while because of recount issues, the Sec. of State is
obliged to use his/her discretion as to whether to accept them. The judge
reiterated exactly what the statute says: Get your votes in on time, or give
us a damn good reason why they're not in on time; otherwise, you lose the
right to be counted.
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janc
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response 213 of 216:
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Nov 16 02:03 UTC 2000 |
Correction to #211: In the Mrs Grant calls Mrs Hayes, a "cow" not a "dow".
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klg
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response 214 of 216:
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Dec 19 01:19 UTC 2000 |
Al Gore has won the election ...for district director of the Marion Soil and
Water Conservation Board in Salem, Ore. No one ran for the post, so write-ins
ruled the day. Gore won with 23 of the 4,570 votes cast, easily beating George
W. Bush, who also got some votes. "Voters don't understand what it means when
they write in a silly name," said Marion County Clerk Al Davidson. "But it's
their right, and it's their tax dollars that pay for it." The Vice President
cannot actually take the job, however, since to serve "you have to own or
manage land in the zone," Davidson said. Gore actually came in second, but
vote winner Donald Duck was disqualified because he's an animated character.
(AP) ...Which is something no one has ever said about Gore.
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scg
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response 215 of 216:
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Dec 19 08:01 UTC 2000 |
Can they ban non-property holders from elected office? I thought that sort
of thing had gone out a long time ago.
He probably would at least have to be a registered voter in teh district,
though.
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polygon
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response 216 of 216:
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Dec 19 18:26 UTC 2000 |
Re 215. Some special purpose districts are allowed to have other voting
or officeholding qualification standards. I presume this is an example of
that.
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