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Grex > Helpers > #135: Grex System Announcements - Fall 2004 |  |
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rcurl
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response 20 of 139:
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Oct 6 07:20 UTC 2004 |
My wife doesn't think I'm single - singular, perhaps.
What's ambiguous about "shall make and certify a complete list of the
shareholders or members entitled to vote"? How can you do that without
ID? But, consider also 450.2485:
"The corporation shall keep at its registered office....records containing
the names and addresses of all shareholders or members.......A corporation
shall convert into written form without charge any record...upon written
request of a person entitled to inspect them."
This sort of requirement is scattered throughout the MCL. It is remiss of
directors of a non-profit to not be familiar with the body of non-profit
law anyway, in order to avoid mistakes in creating bylaws and acts.
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mcnally
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response 21 of 139:
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Oct 6 08:25 UTC 2004 |
> What's ambiguous about "shall make and certify a complete list of the
> shareholders or members entitled to vote"?
The ambiguous part is what level of diligence is required on the part of
the corporation to ensure that the information is correct. It says nothing
about ID.
> How can you do that without ID?
I still don't see anything in the law that requires ID.
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tpryan
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response 22 of 139:
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Oct 6 11:22 UTC 2004 |
I'm moving to the idea of ID verifing all (new) accounts.
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other
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response 23 of 139:
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Oct 6 13:34 UTC 2004 |
Tim, non illegitimati carborundum est. ;)
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tod
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response 24 of 139:
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Oct 6 16:14 UTC 2004 |
re #15
"required by law, showing legal names and addresses"
You forgot to add some other stuff not mentioned like social security numbers,
favorite color, favorite soft drink, and number of toes on the left foot. ;)
The laws for non-profits plainly state you just need a list of members.
PERIOD. The requirement for ID is a fabrication by Cyberspace, Inc.
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mfp
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response 25 of 139:
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Oct 6 16:44 UTC 2004 |
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albaugh
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response 26 of 139:
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Oct 6 16:52 UTC 2004 |
"Fabrication" or not, it's the way grex "wants" it. You don't like it,
then have a member propose a change to the bylaws. All this continued
complaining is simply childish and accomplishes nothing.
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tod
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response 27 of 139:
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Oct 6 17:03 UTC 2004 |
I'm a member DISCUSSING it. Go soak your head.
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mfp
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response 28 of 139:
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Oct 6 17:19 UTC 2004 |
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mcnally
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response 29 of 139:
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Oct 6 17:21 UTC 2004 |
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mcnally
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response 30 of 139:
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Oct 6 17:21 UTC 2004 |
re #27: And you're DISCUSSING it in the SYSTEM ANNOUNCEMENT items.
HOW ABOUT rounding up your RIGHTEOUS INDIGNATION and CAPITAL LETTERS
and taking them BOTH to the CO-OP CONFERENCE?
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tod
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response 31 of 139:
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Oct 6 17:22 UTC 2004 |
re #29: MaYBe i WIll Do ThaT mISter DeWEy dECimAl SySTem LIbRaRiAN.
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tod
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response 32 of 139:
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Oct 6 17:24 UTC 2004 |
re #29
Why are you calling me swear words and then censoring it? That's not a way
to behave in the system problems item. ;)
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remmers
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response 33 of 139:
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Oct 6 17:35 UTC 2004 |
(This is the Grex System Announcements item. Discussion about any Grex
policy is certainly appropriate, but the Coop conference might be a
better place for it.)
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albaugh
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response 34 of 139:
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Oct 6 17:57 UTC 2004 |
Complaining is not improving grex. There is a well-defined way to propose
and possibly enact a change to the bylaws.
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naftee
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response 35 of 139:
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Oct 7 05:14 UTC 2004 |
Which is incidentally only available to people who have decided to throw down
their right to privacy in the name of GreX. How many people can you possibly
expect to do this? Incidentally, the number is dropping every month.
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rcurl
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response 36 of 139:
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Oct 7 06:04 UTC 2004 |
No one's privacy is violated by having to produce ID for membership. The
only records kept by Grex are names and addresses.
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aruba
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response 37 of 139:
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Oct 7 14:16 UTC 2004 |
No, that's not true, Rane. We keep copies of ID on file in case a member
does something bad with their internet privileges, adn law enforcement needs
to track them down. As I said above, this has never happened.
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gull
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response 38 of 139:
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Oct 7 15:25 UTC 2004 |
Re resp:35: You don't need to be a member to post in co-op, last I checked.
This incessant whining is getting old, especially since, given the
attitudes you've expressed in the past, I'm sure you have no intention
of becoming a member even if the ID requirement is dropped.
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mooncat
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response 39 of 139:
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Oct 7 15:40 UTC 2004 |
to continue 37, (if I may) But that doesn't mean it won't, which is why
we need them.
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aruba
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response 40 of 139:
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Oct 7 16:28 UTC 2004 |
I think we should be talking about real ways to increase Grex's membership.
But I think that we need to get the new machine online first; now is not the
time to be asking people for more money. :)
I'd like to point out again that Grex did relax the ID rule recently, by
allowing verified members of Paypal to use that status to become members of
Grex. So if you don't feel comfortable sending ID to Grex, you can send it
to Paypal instead.
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rcurl
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response 41 of 139:
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Oct 7 16:33 UTC 2004 |
Re #37: I stand corrected. However none of that additional information would
have to be divulged to persons that are otherwise entitled to only observe
a list of names and addresses.
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tod
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response 42 of 139:
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Oct 7 16:34 UTC 2004 |
Does Grex have a privacy statement somewhere for the public which notifies
them of the details in re#37 & 40?
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twenex
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response 43 of 139:
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Oct 7 16:42 UTC 2004 |
Re: increasing membership: How about offering grex products to members "on
the cheap"? or fixing the dsl modem (yes, i know there are problems with lack
of time; I'm simply pointing out that something closer to 24/7 service is more
likely to bring us more members than a flake net connexion).
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aruba
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response 44 of 139:
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Oct 7 16:45 UTC 2004 |
Like I said, now is not the time. In a few weeks, hopefully.
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