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rcurl
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response 20 of 101:
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Nov 29 18:31 UTC 2003 |
We'll see. So far, his results are pretty bad. He has set most of the
world, both allies and enemies, against us to a higher pitch than ever
before. I somehow don't think this needed to be done.
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albaugh
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response 21 of 101:
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Nov 29 18:47 UTC 2003 |
cue the violins
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rcurl
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response 22 of 101:
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Nov 29 18:55 UTC 2003 |
ominious drums might be needed
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mcnally
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response 23 of 101:
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Nov 29 19:34 UTC 2003 |
re #19:
> You just gotta bitch because you didn't want him for president,
> because he doesn't do what you want.
Four years ago, bru, if someone had claimed that thouse were your
only reasons for resenting the current president, how full of shit
would you have thought them to be?
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scg
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response 24 of 101:
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Nov 30 20:08 UTC 2003 |
A few years ago, we had a new President who had rarely if ever left North
America, and whose idea of foreign policy involved dealing with Mexico. On
balance, I'm glad to see him making impulsive-looking Thanksgiving trips to
other continents. I just wish he'd make such visits without invading first.
In other words, it sounds to me like a fun trip. I find it hard to get upset
about, but this isn't a President who gives me any shortage of other things
to be upset about.
Senators Clinton and Reed went to Afghanistan, not Iraq, for Thanksgiving.
Bush's apparrent abandonment of Afghanistan is one of the things that upsets
me greatly about him.
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rcurl
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response 25 of 101:
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Dec 1 05:27 UTC 2003 |
Why didn't Bush meet with the future Iraqi leaders of Iraq when he went
there for a visit? Instead all he did was cheer up the troops for 2.5 hours.
Britney could have done that.
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other
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response 26 of 101:
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Dec 1 05:36 UTC 2003 |
Because the real future leaders of Iraq would have strung his bowels
around his neck.
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fitz
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response 27 of 101:
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Dec 1 13:05 UTC 2003 |
It was a publicity stunt that I can admire. I predict that there will be
those who will recall nothing else about this president but his showing up
for dinner announced.
None of my tepid praise should mislead one to conclude that I approve of his
policies.
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tpryan
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response 28 of 101:
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Dec 1 13:37 UTC 2003 |
I think the British Airways pilot should be honored. "Oh"
may be the phrase of the year from someone who got a clue.
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jp2
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response 29 of 101:
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Dec 1 13:52 UTC 2003 |
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gull
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response 30 of 101:
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Dec 1 15:38 UTC 2003 |
Re resp:19: How did Clinton make a fool of himself to the UN? If you're
talking about the sex scandal thing, most people outside the U.S. pretty
much ignored that.
Re resp:27: Oh, it was a brilliant publicity stunt. But like the carrier
landing, it was essentially a taxpayer-funded campaign ad.
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rcurl
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response 31 of 101:
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Dec 1 15:51 UTC 2003 |
You (and Bush) appear to be the nitwits, jp2.
"Bush spent only about two hours on the ground, limiting his visit to the
airport dinner with U.S. forces."
(http://news.findlaw.com/ap_stories/i/1107/11-27-2003/20031127094502_30.htm
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"Meanwhile in Baghdad, some Iraqis complained Bush didn't take the
opportunity to see firsthand how dire their situation is and were offended
he would use their country as a stage for what some saw as an electoral
gambit."
(http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/11/29/bush.radio.ap/index.html)
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jp2
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response 32 of 101:
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Dec 1 15:55 UTC 2003 |
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rcurl
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response 33 of 101:
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Dec 1 16:37 UTC 2003 |
"The president held a Thanksgiving dinner with a number of officials including
US civil administrator in Iraq Paul Bremer, US ground forces commander Lt.
Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, Ahmed Chalabi, member of the Iraqi Governing Council
(IGC), and current IGC president Jalal Talabani."
(http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/200311/28/eng20031128_129209.shtml)
Eating with Chalabi and Talabani for dinner, along with Bremer and Rice
and other officials hardly constitutes holding a substantive meeting with
the (liely future) Iraqui leadership. There have been no reports of
meaningful discussions.
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klg
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response 34 of 101:
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Dec 1 17:19 UTC 2003 |
re: "#31 (rcurl): . . . "Meanwhile in Baghdad, some Iraqis
complained . . . ."
(http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/11/29/bush.radio.ap/index.html)"
We suppose that one can always find "some" who will complain about
anything. (Take Mr. rcurl. Please!)
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rcurl
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response 35 of 101:
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Dec 1 17:28 UTC 2003 |
You are a consistent example yourself. But the view of the Iraqi "public" can
only be that there was nothing in it for them. Bush didn't visit Iraq: he
visited an American military base in Iraq.
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klg
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response 36 of 101:
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Dec 1 17:37 UTC 2003 |
(Thank you, sir. At the risk of being repetitious, we point out that
some will complain about anything.)
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jep
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response 37 of 101:
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Dec 1 18:15 UTC 2003 |
President Bush did clearly visit American troops stationed in Iraq, not
Iraqi leaders, or anyone in Afghanistan, or Fidel Castro, or a lot of
other folks. There was nothing in the visit intended for the people of
Iraq. None of these facts are in the slightest controversial.
Probably there are lots of people -- maybe his parents are among them --
who are miffed they didn't get visited by the president on
Thanksgiving. So what?
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gull
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response 38 of 101:
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Dec 1 18:20 UTC 2003 |
As jep points out, the visit wasn't for the benefit of the Iraqis,
anyway. Not even Bush is spinning it that way. According to him it was
for the troops.
This shows the huge advantage an incumbant President has when running
for reelection. Bush can grab the headlines at will, any time he wants.
Look for lots more of this sort of thing around October.
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tpryan
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response 39 of 101:
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Dec 1 18:39 UTC 2003 |
You mean like Bush shaking the hand of the last American
soldier to leave Iraq in October, 2004?
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rcurl
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response 40 of 101:
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Dec 1 19:37 UTC 2003 |
Re #37: that conveys that Bush is interested in his troops but not in Iraq.
He could at least have visited an oil well.....
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mcnally
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response 41 of 101:
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Dec 1 20:37 UTC 2003 |
With so many genuine, substantive complaints one might choose against
Bush and his administration, is it really worth coming across as an
unsatisfiable obsessive over something as minor as a goodwill campaign
stunt?
Remember how creepily fixated all those Republicans seemed who simply
couldn't contemplate anything Bill Clinton did or said without laboring
to put the worst possible interpretation on it? Don't turn into one of
those people..
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gull
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response 42 of 101:
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Dec 1 21:06 UTC 2003 |
Re #39: Yeah, I think that's a likely scenario. The chaos that would
ensue there probably wouldn't become apparent until after the election.
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tod
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response 43 of 101:
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Dec 1 22:00 UTC 2003 |
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mcnally
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response 44 of 101:
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Dec 1 22:10 UTC 2003 |
Halfway around the world and keeping in mind countless stories about
military food, I'd be more concerned about whether the turkeys were
turkeys..
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