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davel
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response 2 of 78:
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Dec 1 03:22 UTC 2003 |
I put in a suggestion to Rane on that item, because I suspected (correctly,
apparently) that he was asleep at the switch. He promptly linked the item.
I see no evidence whatsoever in the discussion that he "is not even interested
in other languages", & there's quite a bit of evidence lying around to the
contrary. Forgetting an item consisting, by intention, of discussion in a
language one doesn't know isn't, prima facie, evidence of much beyond
consciousness of a lack of unlimited time.
I suspect Mary's last sentence is entirely correct, but what do I know?
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naftee
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response 3 of 78:
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Dec 1 03:59 UTC 2003 |
Well, my primary reason for volunteering to be FW or co-FW of that conference
is primarily because there isn't a large userbase of users reading that
conference, and I want to change that. and if rcurl want's to stay on, that's
fine with me; the more the merrier.
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gelinas
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response 4 of 78:
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Dec 1 04:01 UTC 2003 |
Just out of curiousity, how would you propose to expand the use of that
conference?
I'm also curious about how you determine the number of people using it.
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glenda
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response 5 of 78:
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Dec 1 04:01 UTC 2003 |
I also forgot the item in agora. I will read it in the language cf. There
is no need to read an item twice. I always forget items in agora that have
been linked to another cf. Does that mean that I should be removed as fw to
the cf's that I am fw in? What a crock.
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naftee
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response 6 of 78:
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Dec 1 04:09 UTC 2003 |
re 4
Backtalk has a way to determine the number of participants in a conference.
Specifically, to expand a conference, the best way is to advertise about it,
enter some new items (restarting the conference is a horrible way to revive
it) and spark some new interest in the older items. I also plan on changing
both the backtalk (web) and command-line interface; specifically, simple
commands that users can type to get information (check out the UNIX conference
on m-net, probably the best example of this). But those are the main ideas.
re 5 I also use the forget command to read items only once. But the context
in which rcurl used the statement indicated that he wanted to forget the only
incident of the item (remember, it wasn't linked when he was about to forget
it) and therefore he wasn't interested in it.
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remmers
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response 7 of 78:
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Dec 1 12:09 UTC 2003 |
As Mary indicated in resp:1, the first step would be to discuss your
proposals in the language conference.
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davel
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response 8 of 78:
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Dec 1 13:40 UTC 2003 |
Hmm. Neither advertising a conference nor entering new items (or responses)
requires being FW. Email to Rane, detailing suggestions for interface
changes, might get those and (if not mixed with your usual drivel) would
almost certainly be considered.
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naftee
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response 9 of 78:
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Dec 1 23:44 UTC 2003 |
re 7 There is not an active userbase in the language conference currently.
I intend to create one.
re 8 Both your sentences lack any truth.
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davel
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response 10 of 78:
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Dec 2 02:37 UTC 2003 |
So you're saying that you are FW of coop, now? You entered this item.
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rcurl
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response 11 of 78:
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Dec 2 03:15 UTC 2003 |
How would you create "an active userbase" in language?
My practice is to link items to language when some interest is shown.
either by me personally or by others. Anyone can make the suggestion
if I don't. But I agree this discussion should be in language, so I
will link it there.
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naftee
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response 12 of 78:
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Dec 2 04:00 UTC 2003 |
re 10 I said nothing of the sort. Going back to response #8, doing proper
advertising of a conference requires being a FW. Also, the interface needs
work. Please read response #6. E-mailing suggestions might be done, as you
mentioned in that response, but I'm interested in things that actually happen.
re 11 Please read response #6. Thanks for linking this item; I'll freeze the
one I created.
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gelinas
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response 13 of 78:
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Dec 2 04:03 UTC 2003 |
I don't agree the interface needs work. What are your suggestions?
What do you consider "proper advertising"? I've promoted specific conferences
more than once, and I've never been an FW on this system.
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rcurl
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response 14 of 78:
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Dec 2 06:48 UTC 2003 |
I would welcome active (and appropriate) participation from naftee in
the language conference, as well as specific suggestions for its
management.
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willcome
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response 15 of 78:
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Dec 2 07:58 UTC 2003 |
I, for one, fully support naftee's bid to coup d'etat rcurl (and his ass).
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naftee
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response 16 of 78:
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Dec 2 14:59 UTC 2003 |
re 13 I've given some of my suggestions on interface improvement in response
#6 . To create those, I would have to be FW of the conference. I would also
be able to link items that users such as rcurl would forget. Additionally,
there are some cool things with backtalk which I'd like to explore more.
Perhaps updating the web interface with hyperlinks. These are very rough
ideas.
re 14 I would like to manage or co-manage it, it would be easier. See above.
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mynxcat
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response 17 of 78:
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Dec 2 16:09 UTC 2003 |
Yuo can help fw the international cf, naftee. I'd be happy to have you
on board.
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gelinas
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response 18 of 78:
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Dec 2 16:58 UTC 2003 |
Response #6 speaks in generalities. Which shortcuts do you think would
improved the language conference?
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rcurl
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response 19 of 78:
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Dec 2 17:53 UTC 2003 |
I'd be glad to implement any improvements in language if there is some
concensus they are desirable. Some of what naftee proposes in #6 concerns
the Backtalk interface: these would require staff approval and
implementation. naftee can implement advertisement of the conference any
time he wants. None of the things naftee suggested there requires FW
status.
In regard to my saying that I was about to forget that Polish item (I had
not done it yet) before davel suggested the link, I was making a comment
*after* his suggestion, as a participant in agora. I couldn't read the
item and although it was in Polish, it wasn't about Polish. Even if I did
forget the item for myself (that wasn't a foregone action), that would not
have interfered with anyone else's participation in the item, nor would it
have interfered with anyone sending me e-mail to suggest the link (this is
a common procedure anyway). What hints were given that some participants
would prefer to exercise Polish in the language cf rather than in agora?
willcome, I think, in #15, brings up what may be the real issue. I
referred to both naftee and willcome in the current agora as "jerks" for
some very jerk-like responses they entered. This issue smells a lot like a
counterattack.
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remmers
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response 20 of 78:
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Dec 2 18:31 UTC 2003 |
I'd have to agree that Rane hasn't demonstrated any inadequacy as
a fairwitness in any of this.
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davel
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response 21 of 78:
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Dec 2 19:44 UTC 2003 |
I already said the same. Rane's doing a fine job.
Re one point in #19: I don't use backtalk myself, Rane, but I suspect that
there are some FW-customizable things regarding that interface. As you said,
naftee never said anything specific (beyond like-some-conference-on-Mnet),
so it's hard to know what he wants on this; but it probably is something that
wouldn't require staff intervention, at a wild guess.
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willcome
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response 22 of 78:
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Dec 2 20:49 UTC 2003 |
Re. 19: There are certain Backtalk features only an FW is allowed to use to
modify a conference. (You should know that.)
What SHOULDN"T be allowed, however, is your nonsense accusation that I am
using this issue to "counterattack" you. I don't really care who FWs the
conference, and I don't really care that you called me a jerk. I think you
should apologise, whore.
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glenda
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response 23 of 78:
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Dec 2 20:52 UTC 2003 |
Do we really want or need conferences on Grex to be "like-some-
conference-on-Mnet"? They are 2 separate and different systems. I
like it that way and see no reason why they should resemble each other.
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willcome
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response 24 of 78:
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Dec 2 21:40 UTC 2003 |
Xenophobe.
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rcurl
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response 25 of 78:
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Dec 2 21:55 UTC 2003 |
Apologize for what, willcome?
If any Backtalk features need to be changed/fixed, and an FW can do it,
I would be glad to. But I don't use Backtalk. My responsibility is
language, not Backtalk.
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willcome
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response 26 of 78:
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Dec 2 21:59 UTC 2003 |
I think you should apologise for accusing me of "[counterattacking]" you.
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