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scott
response 2 of 59: Mark Unseen   Dec 4 13:57 UTC 2002

I really like having a non-stick skillet for eggs and pancakes - even the
cheapo I bought years ago gets more use than my cast-iron skillet.

I don't see much point to saucier pans, with a small bottom.  More surface
area means better coupling to stove burner, and therefore greater efficiency.
cmcgee
response 3 of 59: Mark Unseen   Dec 4 13:58 UTC 2002

I have a heavy stainless steel pan with a 4 in bottom diameter, 2 in deep,
1 pint capacity.  Revereware,with extra-thick disk on bottom.

I use it all the time for small amounts of sauces, cocoa, etc because it keeps
the volume of liquid deep enough that it can cook without evaporating too
fast.
orinoco
response 4 of 59: Mark Unseen   Dec 4 19:07 UTC 2002

A saucier pan would be good for that too, I guess.  But other than that, they
strike me as pretty useless to have at home.  How often do you really make
restaurant-style sauces?  Spaghetti sauce and such work just as well in a
normal pot.  

I like non-stick pans better than cast-iron ones, but I think that's just
because they're what I'm used to.  
slynne
response 5 of 59: Mark Unseen   Dec 4 19:23 UTC 2002

I have never even heard of a saucier pan before. 

I have one really good sauce pan that I just bought recently. It is 
made by a company called All Clad and I really like it. It has a firm 
metal handle (that always stays cool). I think I might have finally 
bought a pot where the handle wont fall off. The pan has a stainless 
steel inside which I like because it is easy to clean. 

I dont like non-stick pans because I have heard that if you ever burn 
anything in them, they release a gas that can kill birds that live in 
the house. Since I have a bird but also because that doesnt sound very 
nice and because I tend to burn things, I have decided just to go with 
cast iron. It works for me!
slynne
response 6 of 59: Mark Unseen   Dec 4 19:30 UTC 2002

Do you make a lot of sauces, i? I guess if you do, it might be worth it 
to you to invest in such a pan especially if you arent prone to burning 
things. From what I understand, non stick pans are really easy to 
clean. 
keesan
response 7 of 59: Mark Unseen   Dec 4 20:59 UTC 2002

Teflon only releases toxic gases at high temperatures, but burning oil also
releases toxic gases.  I don't use nonstick frying pans (cast iron works
perfectly though a bit slowly) but I have a nonstick bread machine pan and
a nonstick pressure cooker.  These don't have much chance to overheat.
mary
response 8 of 59: Mark Unseen   Dec 5 03:33 UTC 2002

A saucier is especially nice for cooking any liquid with
the potential to burn as you don't have any bottom-meets-
the-side-and-the-whisk-won't-reach-there issues.  The bottom
of my three quart exactly matches my burner size and the
aluminium core goes up some for nice even heating.  But
All-Clad is a bit pricey.  For this piece I like the
stainless, inside and out, again, to take whisking.
keesan
response 9 of 59: Mark Unseen   Dec 5 15:51 UTC 2002

Would a round-bottomed wok work for this?  Or a microwave oven on low?
orinoco
response 10 of 59: Mark Unseen   Dec 5 16:08 UTC 2002

Food doesn't brown in a microwave the same way it does on the stove.  For some
recipes, that makes a difference.
keesan
response 11 of 59: Mark Unseen   Dec 5 23:31 UTC 2002

For sauces?
cmcgee
response 12 of 59: Mark Unseen   Dec 6 20:41 UTC 2002

yes, some basic sauces require you to brown the flour and fat before you add
the liquid.  It's called a roux.
keesan
response 13 of 59: Mark Unseen   Dec 6 21:49 UTC 2002

Can't you brown flour and fat in a microwave oven?  We can burn our peanuts
in it.
jmsaul
response 14 of 59: Mark Unseen   Dec 6 23:15 UTC 2002

That's one of your rare, deadpan jokes, right?  I figured I'd better point
that out before people take it seriously.
orinoco
response 15 of 59: Mark Unseen   Dec 8 22:21 UTC 2002

Hell, now I'm wondering about the physics of it myself.  Why _is_ it so easy
to burn microwave popcorn, when foods that are _supposed_ to brown don't cook
right in the microwave?
i
response 16 of 59: Mark Unseen   Dec 9 04:37 UTC 2002

Re:  various
Currently, i don't do sauces much.  But i'm pretty open to "make something
in 5 minutes from the gunk you'd have to clean out of the roast pan anyway"
ideas.  

The number of folks talking about stainless steel sauciers working well
with wisks (s^3w^4:) makes me doubtful about a non-stick saucier holding
up.

My cast iron works pans work for most things, but they do have the sharp
side-meets-bottom angle; the rounded saucier would be better for some
things.  (But i'm now wondering if better than a non-stick rounded fry
pan or not.)
mary
response 17 of 59: Mark Unseen   Dec 9 22:22 UTC 2002

I'd not buy a set of any brand of pan but instead look at what it needs to
do.  My collection doesn't match but it works really well for a wide range
of dishes. 

I have one large heavy non-stick frying pan with a surface I need to
nurture.  Only plastic or wooden utensils are used, it gets a hand
washing, and it can't take oven use.  But cleanup is a snap.  I have a
slightly smaller (10")  stainless All-Clad that's perfect for items that
need to develop a good seared surface or maybe where you get it started on
the stovetop and finished in a hot oven.  Non-stick can't do that.  Our
small 7" frying pan is non-stick yet dishwasher safe and takes fairly
harsh treatment. It's a little workhorse.  I looked for a long time
before finding such a beauty (Analon).

The saucier really isn't much different from your standard saucepan but if
you're planning to do much whisking or cooking thick liquids I'd really
suggest you take a look at it.  The subtle difference helps.  I wouldn't
even think of non-stick here but then I'm a big whisk fan.  I think the
saucier's shape means it has a little more surface area too, which helps
when reducing sauces.  But that's not something I do often enough to worry
about. 

I like a big non-stick stockpot for chili and soups, where you don't need
to brown but I sure don't want anything to start burning on the bottom. 
Until about a year ago I had a nice heavy enamel coated Dutch oven but
after 30 years the coating gave out and I went to non-stick here too. 
It's easier to clean, for sure, but I do miss the ability to sear that the
iron had. 

Overall I have a mix of Circulon, Look, Calphalon, Analon, Bernedes,
All-Clad, old Farberware and La Creuset.

That's more than anyone wants to know about my kitchen cabinets but I was
on a roll.  My advice to anyone out there just getting started?  Don't buy
sets. 

i
response 18 of 59: Mark Unseen   Dec 10 12:45 UTC 2002

My collection is modest, and i've bought sets...

I started with a $80 set that Consumer Reports really liked (not that i
always agree with them) - very thin & light stainless steel with good
Al bottom disks to spread heat - 1/2/3 qt. saucepans, 5 qt. dutch oven,
12" deep frypan, & 3 pieces of "stainless steel bottom tupperwear".  I
hardly ever use a couple of the pieces, but i'm way ahead price-wise
anyway, they nest nicely for storage, and they're nice pans.

I bought a set of 3 cast-iron fry pans (6.25", 8", & 10.5").  Again, a
bit more than needed, but really cheap and they nest.  Plus a 2 qt. cast
iron "mini-dutch-oven" pot w/lid.  Used properly, the cast iron is non-
stick (and damage to the non-stick surface is easy & free to fix).  It
has no problem getting pass-me-the-welding-glove hot to sear meat, and
holds heat wonderfully.

Oops - for pasta, i've got a cheapo enamel-over-THIN-metal giant-tin-can-
shaped pot with lid, hole-ridden pasta insert, & 3-leg colander. 

I've also got a couple couple-bucks-at-a-garage-sale thick cast aluminum
pots - 1 qt. saucepan & large dutch oven - as seldom-used extras. 

Amusing note:  CR's top-rated pot set (Dec02 issue) costs about 4 times
what i spend on all mine together, and they aren't dishwasher safe (all
mine are, ditto oven). 
mary
response 19 of 59: Mark Unseen   Dec 10 14:11 UTC 2002

I bow in reverence to anyone who can make those black iron
pans work well.  I don't have the patience to take care
of 'em.  I know, I know, once you get them seasoned they
don't need much, but, the couple of times I've tried I've
not been able to get over the looks-dirty-but-I-shouldn't-
scrub-it hump.

For the most part, if it can't take the dishwasher it 
doesn't join the fleet.

The oldest pans I have, which are doing yeoman service,
are Farberware saucepans, 1 and 2 quart sizes.  I got 'em
as starter wedding gifts.
mary
response 20 of 59: Mark Unseen   Dec 10 14:11 UTC 2002

Back in 1975.
cmcgee
response 21 of 59: Mark Unseen   Dec 10 16:24 UTC 2002

My main pot collection is a set of stainless steel-clad iron bottome and
part-way up the sides that my mom gave me when I went off to college.  They
are idendtical to the one sshe had used for 15 years at that point.

Ihave 4 sizes of pots, one of which has a double boiler and a steamer
insert that also goes in the oven as a casserole. Two copies of the
smallest 3/4 qt pot. Big couple gallon dutch oven, 3 sizes of frying pans,
all of them with specially designed lids that hold in the steam, but let
it burble away in spurts.  Nearly waterless cooking can be done with a low
flame.  I'll think of the manufactureer in a minute.

Set augmented by aforementioned 2 Cup sauce pot, three sizes of cast iron
skillets, which see far more use than the stainless ones, a 1qt cast iron
dutch oven, and a big couple gallon one.  These are actually pot, not
legged-dutch ovens.  A heavy steel wok, and a crepe pan finish up the
top-of-stove collection.

Actually I have a bunch of pyroceramic casseroles too, but I don't usually
reach for them unless I'm going to finish something in the oven.

scott
response 22 of 59: Mark Unseen   Dec 10 17:45 UTC 2002

I bought one of those Visions sets of glass pots and pans way back when I got
my first apartment - the saucepans are great for some things, but I haven't
used the skillet in years since it is practically worthless (extremely uneven
heat transfer).  Instead, I have a cheap teflon skillet which gets most of
the use, and a cast iron skillet which gets used for a few things like meat.
I've also got a pair of the classic stainless Farberware saucepans which see
a fair bit of use.
glenda
response 23 of 59: Mark Unseen   Dec 10 18:41 UTC 2002

Re #21" Echoware, I have the same set.
keesan
response 24 of 59: Mark Unseen   Dec 10 19:59 UTC 2002

Jim discovered when he bought a set of stainless pots and pans from Sears that
the big pot and big frying pan used the same cover, ditto for the small pan
and pot, so he could not use them both at the same time without having to
acquire more lids first.
slynne
response 25 of 59: Mark Unseen   Dec 10 21:25 UTC 2002

I used to have some of those Visions glass pots. I loved them except 
for one thing. They break if you drop them! I dont have them anymore :(

You guys sure have a lot of pots. I have 2 sauce pans and some cast 
iron frying pans (that used to belong to my mother's brother. He bought 
them in the early 1960's and they are still good! I had to reseason 
them though). Oh yeah, I have some stainless steel stock pots for 
making soup but I never get around to it so they have been gathering 
dust for over 2 years. 
scott
response 26 of 59: Mark Unseen   Dec 11 04:34 UTC 2002

Those big stock pots are great for brewing beer!  ;)

I haven't managed to break any of my Visions pots, although I did chip one
of the lids (replaced for $0.80 at a thrift store).  And the lid from the big
pot & skillet (that shared thing Keesan brought up) fits my cast iron skillet
nicely.
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