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mary
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response 197 of 241:
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Aug 26 21:55 UTC 2003 |
If a child is old enough to learn right and wrong by pain he or she is
most certainly old enough to get the same message through language and
other non-violent means. I feel real sorry for the two year old in
your care, Twila.
Kids get hit because the hitting adults are out of ideas and smacking is
much easier than figuring out better parenting skills.
Too, if hitting is so effective why does it have to be repeated, often,
and only stops when the child is big enough to hit back?
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tod
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response 198 of 241:
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Aug 26 23:04 UTC 2003 |
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bru
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response 199 of 241:
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Aug 26 23:06 UTC 2003 |
You do not beat children.
you do not hit children.
you may spank children.
there is a difference.
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tod
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response 200 of 241:
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Aug 26 23:18 UTC 2003 |
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gull
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response 201 of 241:
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Aug 27 01:07 UTC 2003 |
I think spanking may have its place before children are old enough to be
talked to reasonably. On the other hand, as I recall, what spanking taught
me as a kid is "getting caught hurts." It wasn't until my parents started
explaining to me why what I did was bad that I started to feel guilty about
doing stuff that was wrong, which is a much better motivation against doing
things than fear of getting caught.
Cats have no sense of guilt, so the best you can hope for is to teach them
that getting caught doing something bad is painful. ;>
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anderyn
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response 202 of 241:
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Aug 27 01:58 UTC 2003 |
Um. Sheesh, no, I didn't/wouldn't spank Katie. I was just digressing by saying
it was interesting that while I *can* communicate with her and actually reason
with her, in most cases, she wasn't understanding that I had reasons to be
more interested in protecting Griffin than in playing her game -- and it's
perfectly okay with me that she acts three. She is three.
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anderyn
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response 203 of 241:
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Aug 27 02:10 UTC 2003 |
I think that what I am trying to say, for those of you who are missing my
point, is that at some times, and with some kids, spanking can be a tool in
discipline. I am not going to say it's effective with every kid, and I'm
certainly not going to say that it's what I'd do except in certain very
defined circumstances and my definition of spanking is a swat with my hand
on a child's butt -- not hard. Not enough to bruise, nor do anything except
get his or her attention. Kind of the equivalent of the squirting with water.
But it would only be with MY kid, for goodness's sake, and I'm not in the
kid-raising business anymore.
As I have said before, I know the difference between being beaten (which I
WAS, as a child) and a spank. There's a world of difference between abuse and
discipline. I'm not advocating abuse. Ever.
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jaklumen
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response 204 of 241:
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Aug 27 04:57 UTC 2003 |
*sigh* Sometimes Julie has to give our 15 mo. old a swat on the
behind-- because the talkin' doesn't work. If she'll listen to you,
more power to ya. I don't know, I'm not really for it. More often
than not, however, we *do* talk to her, and explain that what she did
disappoints us. Hopefully, that will be a trend that will hold fast.
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tod
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response 205 of 241:
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Aug 27 19:25 UTC 2003 |
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klg
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response 206 of 241:
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Aug 27 19:58 UTC 2003 |
Spoken by somebody who never had teenagers.
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tod
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response 207 of 241:
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Aug 27 21:23 UTC 2003 |
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mary
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response 208 of 241:
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Aug 27 23:46 UTC 2003 |
Just curious, klg, would you see hitting your
teenager as an appropriate form of punishment?
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scott
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response 209 of 241:
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Aug 27 23:58 UTC 2003 |
Todd sometimes manages to thoroughly surprise me. :)
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tod
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response 210 of 241:
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Aug 28 00:01 UTC 2003 |
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slynne
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response 211 of 241:
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Aug 28 01:09 UTC 2003 |
The only lesson I can think of where a smack might do some good is if
you have a kid who is hitting others. Then *maybe* a smack on the hand
to show them it hurts might be in order but only if telling them that
it hurts doesnt work. FWIW, none of my friends who have kids have had
any trouble telling their kids that it hurts others. The kids always
understand that.
I think verbal corrections are just as effective as physical ones.
Sure, young kids dont always understand the reasons not to do something
but if you simply tell them "that is not ok" and then redirect them to
do something else e.g "Do this instead, it *is* ok" they usually
respond very well.
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gull
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response 212 of 241:
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Aug 28 13:12 UTC 2003 |
My parents never spanked me as a teenager. By the time I was that age,
they felt that revoking privilages was a better punishment for me.
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gull
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response 213 of 241:
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Aug 28 13:55 UTC 2003 |
Re #181: I read an article yesterday about the Pink Pistols, and their
existance makes a bit more sense to me now. Apparently, it's not that
they feel there's any particular connection between homosexuality and
guns; it's that they wanted to create a club for gun enthusiasts who,
because of their sexual orientation, wouldn't be welcome in the
conservative-leaning NRA.
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tod
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response 214 of 241:
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Aug 28 16:17 UTC 2003 |
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gull
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response 215 of 241:
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Aug 28 23:50 UTC 2003 |
Re #214: Apparently quite a bit, from what I've heard from conservative
politicians. It's an important issue to the religious right, which is
sort of the rudder that steers the Republican party.
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bru
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response 216 of 241:
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Aug 29 02:03 UTC 2003 |
I think the only people who think the religious right exists are those who
are afraid of it.
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rcurl
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response 217 of 241:
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Aug 29 05:23 UTC 2003 |
You may think it - but it is extremely clear that a virulent religious right
exists. They were out in force in MS over that religious monument. Some
others kill doctors that perform abortions.
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gelinas
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response 218 of 241:
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Aug 29 05:36 UTC 2003 |
Alabama, not Mississippi.
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happyboy
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response 219 of 241:
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Aug 29 05:41 UTC 2003 |
re216: nice, you pull that quote out of an old reader's digest,
stinky?
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rcurl
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response 220 of 241:
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Aug 29 06:02 UTC 2003 |
Right - AL.
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klg
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response 221 of 241:
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Sep 1 15:05 UTC 2003 |
Interesting note: The AL atty gen who is carrying out AL Sup Ct order
to move the monument is the same Bill Pryor whose nomination to a
federal judgeship is being blocked by liberal Democrats who allege he is
unqualified because he wouldn't enforce existing federal law.
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