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Grex > Coop > #284: Grex Town Hall -- How do we move forward? - Fall, 2010 |  |
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kentn
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response 191 of 334:
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Nov 30 17:09 UTC 2010 |
The long web newuser says phone number and/or e-mail address is in case
there are problems and for checking that the person is who they say they
are when they want a password changed (or similar). It's optional and
can be set up so only root can see the information. So, it's probably
okay to continue to collect that information if people want to enter it,
with the usual notes about how it will be used.
We obviously need a valid login name that does not conflict with one
already used on the system and a password. The real name field on the
long web newuser page says it's not required to be a real name. So,
people can give themselves a descriptive name if they want. That's
fairly traditional on unix systems. Changing it from the web, however,
may be something we want to set up so people who enter something they
don't like can modify it. But that would likely not be on a set up an
account page. If we don't have a "manage my account" page we probably
should.
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cross
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response 192 of 334:
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Nov 30 17:22 UTC 2010 |
We don't have an account management page and we definitely should.
I'm not so sure about asking for phone number, though. Email address,
definitely, but I think it is extraordinarily unlikely that someone
would get a phone call, at least from me. That said, I don't think it
hurts anything to ask for it, but I think realistically it's not going
to be used.
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kentn
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response 193 of 334:
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Dec 1 00:34 UTC 2010 |
I suppose it depends on the urgency of the problem as to whether we need
a phone number. I agree that an e-mail address would be less intrusive.
Unfortunately some people change their e-mail address frequently. Since
a phone number is optional, those who do not want to be contacted that
way can leave it out.
I'm wondering if it would help us be a better system if we did an
annual survey of users and members and see if there are issues or ideas
they want fixed or implemented? Of course, nothing prevents anyone
from sending in ideas and issues at any time, including here in the
agora or coop conferences or in an e-mail to staff and board.
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remmers
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response 194 of 334:
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Dec 1 14:33 UTC 2010 |
Being something of a minimalist, I'd personally prefer a newuser that's
short and sweet. I'll think about what I'd like to see newuser say/ask
and post it.
Maybe discussion of newuser deserves its own item, particularly if we're
going to have go-rounds about what it should say and ask, to avoid
swamping the Grex Town Hall. I'm glad we actually have a new newuser
to discuss, that does some sensible things that bring it more into line
with current practices on the web - specifically the email verification
and the captcha thing.
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tod
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response 195 of 334:
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Dec 1 18:00 UTC 2010 |
I'd personally prefer a newuser that's
short and sweet
Shirley Temple hasn't logged into this system but remmers is holding out
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remmers
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response 196 of 334:
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Dec 1 19:52 UTC 2010 |
Well, short then. It doesn't have to be "sweet", although it should
exude an aura of friendliness.
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kentn
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response 197 of 334:
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Dec 2 04:51 UTC 2010 |
Do we still give out those "Wizard in Training" docs? It's on our
web page (on the newuser page). If not, then we should probably
fix that page (though it is a nice touch if we give out something
tangible to new members). If we do, then we're okay.
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tsty
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response 198 of 334:
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Dec 2 08:10 UTC 2010 |
as soon as the web-newuer problem is fixed i wiell start a campaign on the
web wehre i travel.
as of this moemnt... only (!!) ssh/telnet newuser works right.
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cross
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response 199 of 334:
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Dec 2 09:01 UTC 2010 |
The "Wizard in Training" documents do still exist, I believe, but are
ridiculously out of date. A good project would be for someone to update them
to reflect the state of Grex post 1999.
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kentn
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response 200 of 334:
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Dec 2 13:17 UTC 2010 |
Okay, then, we need a volunteer to update the "Wizard in Training" docs.
Is anyone interested in helping with this?
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veek
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response 201 of 334:
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Dec 2 13:54 UTC 2010 |
I got to do website and home-dir-web-templates; flyer is complete
(unless anyone thinks differently :p)
Hey Dan, I suppose you'll be wanting all the web-patches in one go? Or
do you want them trickled.. I finished the CSS template(tables has to
be added).. it's much cleaner and err.. bigger than the current
template..
here's a sample page (it looks exactly like the original):
http://m-net.arbornet.org/~veek/confs.xhtml
http://m-net.arbornet.org/~veek/style/services.css
Is this okay?? the text is black BUT it's so much easier to read! Also,
light orange links - i like color sprinkled about.. just a teensy bit..
+while reading long docs it provides visual checkpoints.. vs having
everything swimmming in a green sea..
I'll add a cheat-sheet and new-stuff later.. (i'll do corrections once
the color thingy and css is okayed)
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veek
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response 202 of 334:
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Dec 2 13:56 UTC 2010 |
http://cyberspace.org/confs.xhtml
this is the original..
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cross
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response 203 of 334:
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Dec 2 14:42 UTC 2010 |
Veek, the easiest is to put a patch in your directory on Grex and then send
an email to staff@grex.org.
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veek
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response 204 of 334:
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Dec 3 14:47 UTC 2010 |
regarding home-page CGI/web-images/bandwidth-limits - shall I say this
is waived for members (web-images/BW)? And that CGI is temporarily not
available - pending installation??
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cross
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response 205 of 334:
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Dec 3 15:22 UTC 2010 |
Personally, I don't understand why any of that stuff is restricted.
CGI, maybe (just because it puts a burden on Grex, and could be an
attack vector for outside users) but the rest seems pretty legit.
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jgelinas
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response 206 of 334:
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Dec 3 15:43 UTC 2010 |
"Attack Vector" is, I think, the key concept. If it's no longer a
problem, then we should be able to open up scripting.
Images have been under discussion for a while. It's probably time to
open that up, as well.
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veek
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response 207 of 334:
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Dec 3 17:44 UTC 2010 |
Oo! super! now we are talking <g> :) thanks :)
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cross
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response 208 of 334:
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Dec 3 19:52 UTC 2010 |
resp:206 Right. We should look into suEXEC and suPHP for user access to
creating server-side dynamic content. M-Net does it; I don't see why we
can't, too.
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kentn
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response 209 of 334:
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Dec 3 20:07 UTC 2010 |
Thanks for getting this figured out! I'm hopeful, as veek points out,
that people looking for CGI and PHP services will come here and
support us. If we get this set up, we'll need to set up an example
account that we can show off--maybe the volunteers account :)
Another idea is to get our web page set up to show announcements. While
we can put announcements in the MOTD and in the conferences, having them
on the main Grex web page would show people we are here minding the
store.
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cross
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response 210 of 334:
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Dec 3 20:13 UTC 2010 |
That's a good idea. Btw: someone needs to start recording these tasks.
We're going to start forgetting soon; I am, anyway.
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kentn
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response 211 of 334:
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Dec 3 20:43 UTC 2010 |
Maybe a central document or database would work? The trouble is, items
like the Town Hall item can generate a lot of ideas, but not all of
them make it to the status of a "task" to be done. Do we have an issue
tracker db? If so, we could enter tasks like these there. Or we could
enter a coop item with a to-do list.
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jgelinas
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response 212 of 334:
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Dec 3 21:04 UTC 2010 |
A frozen item in coop would work best. From my point of view, any way.
:)
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kentn
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response 213 of 334:
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Dec 3 21:29 UTC 2010 |
Okay, the next question then is who should control it?
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cross
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response 214 of 334:
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Dec 3 22:38 UTC 2010 |
Another option would be to use the (existing) RT database.
https://grex.org/helpdesk/
All staff *should* have accounts on it, I think.
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jgelinas
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response 215 of 334:
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Dec 3 22:39 UTC 2010 |
I'd volunteer, but I've recently gotten a new "hearing aid." Every
fifteen to thirty seconds, it makes a loud and obnoxious noise, never
the same one twice. So every time I start to form a coherent thought,
it goes off, and I forget what I was thinking about.
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