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richard
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response 19 of 82:
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Oct 6 17:33 UTC 2003 |
The ones I feel sorry for are the kids who were in the audience and saw
that happen. There are always a lot of kids at their shows and a gory
scene like that could haunt a young child for a long time.
We watch a lot of high risk sports. Like auto racing, and skiing, and
boxing. In those sports, which we find entertaining, accidents happen and
people get hurt. Roy told people in the ambulance, according to one
story, that he views what happened as an accident, takes all the blame
himself, and wants noone to blame the cat.
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happyboy
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response 20 of 82:
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Oct 6 17:53 UTC 2003 |
that's the only thing that makes me feel even remotely
sorry that he was hurt...that he recognized that it wasn't
the cat's fault.
re18: are you serious?
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anderyn
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response 21 of 82:
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Oct 6 18:08 UTC 2003 |
Of course I'm sorry he was hurt. He loves those animals and it's sad that he
miscalculated and was injured. I'm hoping that they will take him at his word
and not harm/kill the tiger in question, who was, accordin to the news reports
I saw, a "rescued" tiger and not one which Roy had raised from birth.
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slynne
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response 22 of 82:
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Oct 6 18:23 UTC 2003 |
resp:18 - I do feel sorry for firefighters who are injured in the line
of duty so I guess the income cut off is somewhere between firefighter
and megastar
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mynxcat
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response 23 of 82:
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Oct 6 19:01 UTC 2003 |
I think when one feels sorry for people who work in dangerous jobs,
besides the income level and the need to actually work these jobs, one
takes into coonsideration whether the job really helped other people.
Firefighters risk their lives to save people from fires. Roy risked
his life to entertain people. Maybe not as necessary as saving lives,
but still a public service of some sort.
If the tigers weren't mistreated, and it sure sounds like they were
not, I don't see anything wrong with using them in a show. It's like
having actors and clowns. Sure they're animals, and not born to
entertain, but animals weren't born to be pets either. I doubt these
animals were whipped till they danced or anything like that.
I feel sorry for the man. And if that news-source is true about him
not wanting to blame the cat for his injury, I have some additional
respect for him. It sure seems like he really loves these animals.
(But I would assume that he would work with tigers that he'd raised
from birth, rather than a "rescued" animal, only because you know
their past and have a much better knowledge-base to work with when
determining how they'd react)
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anderyn
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response 24 of 82:
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Oct 6 19:41 UTC 2003 |
According to the news (and stories I've seen in the past), Roy would study
his cats and only have them do things on stage that they could do, that they
were likely to do, anyway -- what they had a talent for. He also shared his
home with them, and would be the first to hold and clean the baby tigers as
they were born, so they recognized him *as* a tiger. Inasmuch as any human
can be so recognized, I suspect. He did his best to understand and work with
them, and while it was in the cause of entertainment, it was also because he
loved and respected them, and figured that people would want to preserve
something that gave them pleasure.
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rcurl
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response 25 of 82:
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Oct 6 20:29 UTC 2003 |
Did he do anthing about preserving this species *in the wild*? From
what I have read about it, it seems his breeding program only preserved
the species in zoos and other captivity. It seems to me to be the penultimate
cruelty to preserve a species only outside its natural habitat.
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anderyn
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response 26 of 82:
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Oct 6 20:41 UTC 2003 |
I thought that he donated money to the habitats in the wild. I could be wrong.
But I'd rather be alive in a zoo than my species be dead. I don't know how
an animal feels about that, but I suspect that life enjoys being alive.
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rcurl
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response 27 of 82:
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Oct 6 20:48 UTC 2003 |
And tigers pace and monkeys bounce off their bars....seems to me they
are reacting to imprisonment in much the same sense as a human would.
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anderyn
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response 28 of 82:
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Oct 6 21:01 UTC 2003 |
The Toledo Zoo has habitats that seem to be decent for the animals. The tigers
there didn't pace. And Roy's tigers had a whole estate that they shared with
him and Siegfried. They weren't caged, and had the freedom of the house and
estate, at least during the day (not sure what the nighttime arrangements
were). Not saying it's like having a whole range to oneself, but it's a damn
sight better than living free and being killed horibly by a poacher.
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rcurl
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response 29 of 82:
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Oct 6 21:16 UTC 2003 |
The efforts of The Nature Conservancy are for habitat protection for
rare, theatened and endangered species. In the long run, this is more
economical for the preservation of species than is maintaining captive
breeding populations. Did Roy and Siegfried donate heavily to habitat
preservation? (I did some Googling to find out, but as yet without success.)
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bru
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response 30 of 82:
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Oct 6 23:00 UTC 2003 |
white tigers and white lions are not natural inany habitat. It is a mutation
that propably occured shortly before the maharajas came to power in india.
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mary
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response 31 of 82:
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Oct 7 01:53 UTC 2003 |
Is it possible to feel sorry for the mutilated trainer
but still congratulate the tiger for, well, being a tiger?
I don't know much about the motivations of Mr. Roy but
the tiger doesn't belong on a stage, jumping through
hoops and obeying a guy in tights. Somehow, with that one
bite, it regained some of its long lost dignity.
I also root for the bull in bullfights.
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rcurl
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response 32 of 82:
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Oct 7 06:13 UTC 2003 |
Albinism in animals (and humans) is perectly natural, bru. But albino
animals are not a separate species and breed like any other members of the
species. They belong in the natural population as part of its diversity.
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tsty
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response 33 of 82:
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Oct 7 07:12 UTC 2003 |
albinism is a rare occurrance (can they breed???) and is not well
tolerated by the rest of the population generally. albino offshoots
usually nee to be seapratred and protected.
i feel quite bad for roy - and firefighters too (re #20) who invest
their being for our safety/enjoyment and afll victim to happenstance.
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tod
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response 34 of 82:
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Oct 7 16:01 UTC 2003 |
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rcurl
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response 35 of 82:
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Oct 7 16:36 UTC 2003 |
Yes, albino animals (including humans) can breed, and I have never heard
that they are "not well tolerated by the rest of the population
generally". Please cite some urls that provide data that support your
contention.
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tod
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response 36 of 82:
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Oct 7 17:06 UTC 2003 |
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mynxcat
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response 37 of 82:
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Oct 7 17:51 UTC 2003 |
LOL
Well the tiger was acting like a tiger. No argument there. I don't
think anyone here is advocating getting back at the tiger, are they?
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carson
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response 38 of 82:
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Oct 7 18:25 UTC 2003 |
(surprisingly not. most animals that attack humans are euthanized; I
haven't heard that this tiger is destined for a similar fate.)
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anderyn
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response 39 of 82:
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Oct 7 19:24 UTC 2003 |
At least Roy is not advocating that. He said that he wanted it to be unharmed,
during the ambulance ride to the hospital. I don't think he or anyone he knows
were shocked by this -- I think that is why I do feel sorry for him, because
he accepted the risks and accepted that he'd been very lucky not to be
attacked. And because he had a stroke after the attack. That is definitely
not something they tell you about in tigers one-oh-one, that being attacked
by one will cause a stroke! (The news story I read implied that it was because
of the massive blood loss. I don't think I'd ever heard of a stroke from that
particular cause before. Has anyone else?)
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mdw
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response 40 of 82:
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Oct 7 20:04 UTC 2003 |
Tigers play rough with each other. They also have much tougher skins
than humans do. Except for the size, there's really not that much
difference in terms of psychology between tigers and domestic cats
(although in the wild it's true tigers are generally solitary and
domestic cats act more like lions.) What's "just play" to a cat can be
pretty rough in human terms.
Strokes are basically a sudden loss of consciousness due to a lack of
oxygen in some part of the brain - this could be caused by a blood clot,
or blockage or rupture of some blood vessel, usually inside the brain.
I guess a rupture of a major blood vessel in the neck doesn't quite
qualify, but the resulting greatly reduced blood pressure can't help
matters any inside the brain. If a air bubble or blood clot from wound
were to make its way inside the brain, that would certainly qualify
though.
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rcurl
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response 41 of 82:
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Oct 7 20:18 UTC 2003 |
Apparently some neck injuries can result in stroke. In seaching Medscape,
I found "Cervical Spinal Manipulation Linked to Stroke From Vertebral Arterial
Dissection". That "dissection" is a form of trauma to the blood vessel.
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tpryan
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response 42 of 82:
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Oct 7 23:45 UTC 2003 |
I recently saw a PBS or Discovery show on introducing Tigers
to Africa, after captive breeding. It was something like a 5 year
project to get two into the wild. Brother and Sister. In a wild
animal preserve, with a large number a acres.
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glenda
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response 43 of 82:
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Oct 7 23:57 UTC 2003 |
Are you sure it was Africa and not India. Tigers are not native to Africa.
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