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happyboy
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response 187 of 218:
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Feb 23 18:23 UTC 2006 |
"We're gunna rebuild that there mosque!"
---gw bush
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tod
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response 188 of 218:
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Feb 23 18:45 UTC 2006 |
MIXED ACCOMPLISHMENT!
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happyboy
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response 189 of 218:
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Feb 23 18:47 UTC 2006 |
"we're gunna use 'marikan taxdollers tew rebuild that there
mosk, we're gunna send a man ta mars!"
gw fife
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tod
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response 190 of 218:
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Feb 23 18:47 UTC 2006 |
MISSION MESSAGES!
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happyboy
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response 191 of 218:
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Feb 23 18:49 UTC 2006 |
"jaysus tolt me yore gumma be a pressiden."
gorge boosh
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jadecat
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response 192 of 218:
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Feb 23 19:08 UTC 2006 |
Osama has a hippo named after him in Africa...
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happyboy
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response 193 of 218:
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Feb 23 19:11 UTC 2006 |
it all makes sense now!
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johnnie
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response 194 of 218:
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Feb 23 19:28 UTC 2006 |
>*I* think Saddam Hussein was a bigger threat to the world, though not
to >the USA, than Osama bin Laden.
Okay, but why? While I'll happily agree that everyone is better off
with Hussein rotting away in a jail cell, it seems to me that he was
largely contained as a threat. American planes regularly patrolled his
airspace, sanctions (though imperfect) kept his resources in check, he
didn't have the military might for cross-border excursions, whatever WMD
programs he may have once had were rusty and dusty, and he didn't have
any allies.
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happyboy
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response 195 of 218:
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Feb 23 19:45 UTC 2006 |
it's a better world now that their oilfields will be under the
dominion of a shi'ite theocracy!
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rcurl
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response 196 of 218:
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Feb 23 20:41 UTC 2006 |
Re #180: "I don't like the way Iraq was invaded but the
outcome was a positive." POSITIVE??? It is a grotesque catastrophe. There
has been more death and destruction foisted upon the Iraqi public and our
invaders than ever occurred under Saddam, and now the Sunni's are blowing
up a mosque built in the year 805 and the Shia are retaliating by blowing up
Sunni mosques. This IS now a civil war, in which thousands will suffer even
more. And we caused it.
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twenex
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response 197 of 218:
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Feb 23 21:03 UTC 2006 |
Jep has started singing from the bru-Bush-Rove songbook, sounds like.
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mcnally
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response 198 of 218:
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Feb 23 21:12 UTC 2006 |
re #194:
> Okay, but why? While I'll happily agree that everyone is better off
> with Hussein rotting away in a jail cell, it seems to me that he was
> largely contained as a threat. American planes regularly patrolled his
> airspace, sanctions (though imperfect) kept his resources in check, he
> didn't have the military might for cross-border excursions, whatever WMD
> programs he may have once had were rusty and dusty, and he didn't have
> any allies.
Well, let's see:
- He had billions of dollars at his disposal.
- Still controlled thousands of troops plus whatever secret security
apparatus Iraq had in place.
- Was in a far better position to destabilize the regional military
and political situation.
- Required a much greater ongoing commitment in terms of money,
military power, and diplomatic influence to keep contained.
- If the sanctions ended, was in an excellent position to once again
exert an extraordinary amount of influence over global petroleum
and financial markets.
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tod
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response 199 of 218:
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Feb 23 22:13 UTC 2006 |
re #198
How do those points differ from say Saudi Arabia or Syria?
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happyboy
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response 200 of 218:
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Feb 23 23:03 UTC 2006 |
or pakistan...HOME OF ALQAEDA!
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bru
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response 201 of 218:
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Feb 23 23:42 UTC 2006 |
al Queda in Iraq is responsible seeking to inflict civil war on the nation,
and they might have succeeded. one attack today included 50 people who
attended a peace march, pulled off a bus and executed. Hundreds have been
killed today, adn the Shia are taking revenge on Sunni mosques. Just as the
enemies of peace wanted.
The question is can teh Shia leaders get their followers back under control,
and if not, What side are we going to support.
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tod
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response 202 of 218:
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Feb 23 23:44 UTC 2006 |
al Qaeda of Iraq? BWAHAHAHA!
Nice way to ignore the escaped perps of 9/11 (i.e. Osama)
That's like saying "Hitler Jr." or "AIDS without deficiency"
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happyboy
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response 203 of 218:
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Feb 24 01:18 UTC 2006 |
re201: "Oops." --gw bush
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tod
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response 204 of 218:
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Feb 24 03:51 UTC 2006 |
Why do we have to support "a side"? I thought we were "building a Democracy"?
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gull
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response 205 of 218:
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Feb 24 07:03 UTC 2006 |
Re resp:180: If he did have a nuke, it would have had to have come from
elsewhere. If he'd had the ability to make one himself, we'd have
found the production facilities by now.
Re resp:198: Unfortunately, while Saddam had the *potential* to
destabilize the region, by invading we replaced that potential
instability with certain instability.
Re resp:201: I'm highly distressed by the idea that we may end up
having to pick sides in an Iraqi civil war. All the worst predictions
about the outcome of this war are coming to pass. Do you think
supporting one Muslim group in a religious civil war against another is
going to make us safer?
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jep
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response 206 of 218:
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Feb 24 16:35 UTC 2006 |
I didn't expect that much discussion from my comment. In brief, I do
think Saddam Hussein, as president of Iraq, was a bigger threat than
Osama bin Laden.
I don't see how anyone can say with any certainty, other than by pure
blind faith, that there were no WMD in Iraq or being produced in Iraq.
Are you saying the government couldn't make another mistake as big as
missing a weapons facility or having things taken out of the country
without being seen?
I'll try to come back to this item later. Gotta run now.
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jadecat
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response 207 of 218:
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Feb 24 16:51 UTC 2006 |
I suppose it all depends on what kinds of WMDs we're talking about-
gaseous biological warfare? Nuclear weapons?
(As an aside, when all this was starting a few years ago I remember
dreaming about walking through a paramilitary camp for teenagers and
having it explained to me that teens had the energy and the willpower to
achieve great change- if you could focus it. That's when I saw someone
crocheting a weapon of mass destruction. )
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tod
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response 208 of 218:
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Feb 24 16:56 UTC 2006 |
re #206
Pakistan is a bigger threat. They support al Qaeda. They have nukes. THey
have WMD. The list goes on. The policy of pre-emptive war by this
Administration has be hypocritical at best.
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cross
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response 209 of 218:
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Feb 24 17:15 UTC 2006 |
This response has been erased.
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happyboy
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response 210 of 218:
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Feb 24 17:40 UTC 2006 |
i wish i was still a cheerleader at andover...then i wouldn't
have to take all these funny brain pills.
---gw boosh
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tod
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response 211 of 218:
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Feb 24 17:46 UTC 2006 |
In the West Texas energy business, George W. Bush started out researching who
owned mineral rights. He later traded mineral and royalty interests and
invested in drilling prospects. He had started his own oil and gas company
by 1978, taking $17,000 from his education trust fund to set up Arbusto Energy
(arbusto means Bush in Spanish). The company fell on hard times when oil
prices fell. He made several attempts to revive the business, first by
changing the company's name and later by merging with other companies. In
1983, Bush.s company was rescued from failure when Spectrum 7 Energy
Corporation, a small oil firm owned by William DeWitt and Mercer Reynolds,
bought it. Bush became chief executive officer. Harken Energy Corporation
acquired Spectrum 7 in 1986, after Spectrum had lost $400,000. In the buyout
deal, Bush and his partners were given more than $2 million worth of Harken
stock for the 180-well operation. Bush became a director and was hired as a
"consultant" to Harken. He received another $600,000 of Harken stock, and has
been paid between $42,000 and $120,000 a year. By the spring of 1987, Harken
was in need of cash. So Bush and his fellow Harken officials met with Jackson
Stephens, head of Stephens, Inc., an investment bank in Little Rock, Arkansas
(Stephens contributed $100,000 to the Reagan-Bush campaign in 1980 and gave
another $100,000 to the Bush dinner committee in 1990.) Stephens arranged for
Union Bank of Switzerland (UBS) to provide $25 million to Bush.s company in
return for a stock interest in Harken. As part of the deal, Sheikh Abdullah
Bakhsh, a Saudi real estate tycoon and financier, joined Harken's board as
a major investor. Stephens, UBS, and Bakhsh each had ties to the infamous,
scandal-ridden Bank of Credit and Commerce International (BCCI). In 1990, Bush
sold his remaining stock options and left the oil business....
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