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Grex > Coop > #278: Grex Town Hall -- How do we move forward? |  |
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kentn
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response 185 of 357:
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Jun 24 21:27 UTC 2010 |
The newuser function on the web page is screwed up and staff is aware
of the problem. The newuser you get when you login as newuser@grex
is working just fine. As to the restricted shell and the need for
validation, I agree, that sucks and is driving people away.
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tod
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response 186 of 357:
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Jun 24 21:28 UTC 2010 |
lar, I think he's saying that if you wear a leash then it will attract
a certain element to grex
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lar
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response 187 of 357:
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Jun 24 21:34 UTC 2010 |
ok,I'll break out my spikes and spandex to go with it.
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slynne
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response 188 of 357:
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Jun 24 21:36 UTC 2010 |
resp:183 That is true. It would mean a major philosophical change for
grex though. I can't say that it necessarily a bad thing. The best
solution would be allow the author of an item to moderate it if they
chose to do so. That could absolve grex of some of the legal issues that
have come up in past discussions of moderated conferences. IIRC, the
issue is that if grex volunteers/staff moderate conferences as a matter
of policy, grex could be sued if something which should have been
deleted wasn't.
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richard
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response 189 of 357:
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Jun 24 21:48 UTC 2010 |
This response has been erased.
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richard
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response 190 of 357:
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Jun 24 21:50 UTC 2010 |
re #183 indeed I can think of numerous longtime users of grex who have
long ago left specifically because they felt staff was all but
completely apathetic towards trolls. staff's desire to not have to
delete or close trolls' posts led to the validation patch on newuser
which only punished every other new user. I don't see anything wrong
with requiring that a new item posted by someone be at least remotely
vaguely substantive, saying that a new item posted that just calls a
user names, says "so and so is a cocksucker' has no merit and will be
removed unless the poster can defend his reasons for the post.
Give the user the opportunity to defend his item. "Your item appears
to be just using Grex's conference space to call a user derogative
names. We ask you to defend substantively the reasons for posting this
item in the next 'x' amount of time. If you cannot do so this item
will be deleted."
re #188 I would not allow posters of an item to be moderators of that
item, because inevitably what happens on other boards that have this is
you have an item entered on a political topic and the author of the
item deletes responses in it left and right that he disagrees with.
Limit moderation to the conference fairwitnesses.
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lar
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response 191 of 357:
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Jun 24 21:50 UTC 2010 |
my posts will not be removed you stupid cocksucker.
who gives a fuck what your fairy faggot ass would do? you pansy ass
girlie man
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tod
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response 192 of 357:
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Jun 24 21:58 UTC 2010 |
re #190
I can think of numerous longtime users of grex who have
long ago left specifically because they felt staff was all but
completely apathetic towards trolls
You mean they wanted CENSORSHIP
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richard
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response 193 of 357:
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Jun 24 22:08 UTC 2010 |
re #192 no they didn't want censorship, they wanted trolling to not be
encouraged and they wanted name calling and use of needless derogatory
hurtful language to not be ignored by staff. why do you think valerie
mates left? She was being picked on troll-like by a group of users
mostly from mnet who had it in for her and she felt like she was being
ridiculed, and staff was too high minded to step in and try to do
anything. It wasn't worth it to her to stay around and put up with
mean spirited behaviour in order to read the good posts. She saw Grex
as maintaining a board rather than trying to maintain a community with
good civility. So she left and took all her posts down.
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lar
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response 194 of 357:
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Jun 24 22:15 UTC 2010 |
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lar
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response 195 of 357:
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Jun 24 22:16 UTC 2010 |
Oh shut the fuck up you dumbass...you don;t have a clue what you are
talking about. She left because she got her panties in a wad over the
parody of her baby item in m-net's agora. slynne,mynxcat and a host of
other
GREXORS posted in the item just having fun.
get the facts straight you lying sack of shit
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richard
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response 196 of 357:
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Jun 24 22:18 UTC 2010 |
She felt that was ridiculing her, picking on her
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tod
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response 197 of 357:
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Jun 24 22:19 UTC 2010 |
re #193
why do you think valerie
mates left?
She didn't like dissent.
she left and took all her posts down.
She left and took EVERYONE's posts down in the parenting conference. we
had some legitimate discussions going on. She was very pro breastfeeding
of toddlers or whatnot and some of us differed on that front. So
instead of simply agreeing to disagree or what have you, she zippety
zapped all the items in that conference. And believe you me, I had
volunteered MANY times to co-FW in that conference and was ignored.
I won't dish out my own suspected gender discrimination in that whole
ordeal but I will say that I was displeased to have lost so much content
of discussion (not just of hers.)
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richard
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response 198 of 357:
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Jun 24 22:21 UTC 2010 |
I thought staff should have put those posts back into the Parenting
conf but they declined, that would have been 'censoring' Valerie right?
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lar
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response 199 of 357:
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Jun 24 22:22 UTC 2010 |
#re197
she is a neurotic cunt,she is smart as hell but her head is still
fucked up.
re#196
as for running people away I do wish the fuck you and keesan would both
go find some other place to vomit your stupidity on
therefore I will troll the two of you from now on.
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tod
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response 200 of 357:
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Jun 24 22:35 UTC 2010 |
re #198
I thought staff should have put those posts back into the Parenting
conf but they declined
They all admitted it was censorship. Mary was the biggest supporter
of censoring because Valerie is a "friend of Grex" while the
rest of us are peasants or something.
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richard
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response 201 of 357:
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Jun 24 22:37 UTC 2010 |
valerie also used the same little program she wrote to delete her
posts, to also delete those of JEP in one particular agora. JEP had
written I thought very honestly and eloquently about his divorce and
then some time later regretted doing so and asked that all his posts on
that subject be removed. IFRC staff declined his request but then
Valerie, who was herself staff, did it for him anyway on her own. This
action took out the posts in items that a lot of others responded to,
and left a couple of items full of holes with the responses that are
left there now out of context.
These are excellent reasons why if there is a new version of grex, that
it should be stated posts can only be edited or deleted by poster for a
short period of time after posting. After 'x' amount of time, the
copyright reverts to Grex and the item and responses are considered
published.
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lar
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response 202 of 357:
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Jun 24 22:39 UTC 2010 |
mary is a total slut...an old ugly one at that. the only one who made
any real sense on staff in those days was cross. fatass STeve and ugly
glenda could not stand his superior knowledge so they got all defensive
and shit. mary was such a commie cunt she made cross resign from
staff..with a little help from naftee and polytarp
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lar
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response 203 of 357:
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Jun 24 22:42 UTC 2010 |
re# 201
no dumbass,this is why grex should have backups to restore items like
that and once a root pulls nazi bullshit like popcunt did then the
privileges should be revoked.
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tod
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response 204 of 357:
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Jun 24 22:42 UTC 2010 |
Well, if Grex told me that they expect to have copyright of all
my entries in BBS then I would probably stop participating. I don't
want people (including Grex) having the right to steal my creative
works or relayed expressions of my own experiences. I'm also against
having my entries webcrawled to the Internet. Grex has always been
a spot where I can converse freely to whatever set of participants
are listed for a particular conference. I have never seen Grex
as a place to "blog".
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lar
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response 205 of 357:
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Jun 24 22:45 UTC 2010 |
" the time limit is important because it would prevent circumstances
like
when valerie mates decided to leave grex and decided to delete all of
his past posts she ever made here going back years."
Your stupidity knows no bounds. popcunt had root and this allowed her
to do anything she wanted. no lame ass bbs block could stop that bitch
just shut up richard,you are a fucking fool
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richard
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response 206 of 357:
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Jun 24 23:17 UTC 2010 |
It is not a matter of 'expecting' to have copyright. They do have
copyright. Look at the bottom of the home page on the website where it
says: " 2008 Copyright grex.org. All Rights Reserved". Grex has to
be responsible for what is posted on its site. If someone posts an
item advocating specific acts of terrorism in Agora, the feds are not
going to buy any claim that grex's board/staff are in no way
responsible because they claim no copyrights. By use of this board to
post, you consent to grex's publishing your work and grex retains
responsibility for the consequences of publishing it. It has to
because you can get a login here and post without divulging who you
are. Grex has to accept that it holds the legal liability for open
anonymous posting.
We had this discussion back when the Communications Decency Act and
Michigan's version of it were being proposed. It was even suggested
that if the Michigan CDA took effect that the entire Grex board should
resign so that it would be difficult for the state to hold anyone
responsible for what is posted here.
re #24 5tod you said earlier you were against valerie removing her
posts in that conf, and now it seems you agree with her that she owned
her posts. contradictory?
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mary
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response 207 of 357:
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Jun 24 23:32 UTC 2010 |
Tod, sometimes it boggles my mind how you can be so confident and wrong
at the same time. You've made comments like resp. #200 before - "Mary
was the biggest supporter of censoring because Valerie is a "friend of
Grex" while the rest of us are peasants or something".
All the history on this incident is still available, here, on Grex, word
for word. Someone else will have to site the conference and item
numbers.
I didn't support Valerie's actions and I was a strong advocate of
restoring the deleted items. My position actually cost me a few
friendships but I still believe allowing it to go down the way it did
was wrong. Very wrong. I'd take that same position today no matter the
persons involved. But the community voted otherwise. Such is
democracy. Most of us accepted that and moved on.
There is integrity in honesty. Try it on for size, you may like the
respect that comes with it.
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marcvh
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response 208 of 357:
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Jun 24 23:50 UTC 2010 |
Summary: we cannot move forward, because this community is incapable of
anything other than navel-gazing and obsessing about minutiae.
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lar
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response 209 of 357:
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Jun 24 23:52 UTC 2010 |
re#207 don't laud your self rightoeusness with me you ugly whore....you
had
the gall to contact a previous employer of mine.
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