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Grex > Agora56 > #158: South Dakota challenges Roe v Wade | |
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tod
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response 180 of 254:
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Mar 9 21:47 UTC 2006 |
Shutup, liar
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richard
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response 181 of 254:
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Mar 9 21:49 UTC 2006 |
re #179 so anne are you saying that if a woman stops taking the pill and gets
pregnant against her partner's will, and abortion is illegal, that the father
shouldn't be able to decide he doesn't want to participate as a father under
the circumstances?
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edina
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response 182 of 254:
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Mar 9 21:51 UTC 2006 |
Re 178 I love how you're negotiating this.
Wow. This is a face of the pro-choice movement.
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jep
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response 183 of 254:
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Mar 9 21:58 UTC 2006 |
re resp:179: I agree with the point. If a woman is able to abort her
fetus, then it seems morally appropriate for a man to be allowed to get
out of his responsibility, too.
I'm already on record as agreeing with you, that if abortion is not
legal, then the father of a child should be legally obligated to pay
for half of all of the costs of having and raising the child. That
should include all pre-natal care. He should provide support for the
mother to make up for whenever she has to miss work due to the
pregnancy or giving birth.
I think you and I agree on all of that. I think, pretty much, we agree
on the whole range of issues around the question of abortion, except
for the central one about whether abortion ought to be legal.
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richard
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response 184 of 254:
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Mar 9 22:01 UTC 2006 |
jep said:
"re resp:179: I agree with the point. If a woman is able to abort her
fetus, then it seems morally appropriate for a man to be allowed to get
out of his responsibility, too. "
Then why are you against this man's lawsuit? It sounds like you would
support a law such as this man suggests, IF abortion stayed legal. Your
opposition to it then is situational? is that accurate?
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richard
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response 185 of 254:
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Mar 9 22:20 UTC 2006 |
here's the deal. if biology was reversed and it was men who got pregnant,
not women, there would be no abortion argument, because a male dominated
society isnt going to tell a man what to do with his body. I have always
found a high degree of sexism in the abortion debate. Many people who are
pro-life believe in a traditional, male dominant, female subordinate, view
of society. They don't find it natural for women to be making their own
decisions.
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scholar
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response 186 of 254:
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Mar 9 22:22 UTC 2006 |
If men got pregnant instead of women, women would be men and men would be
women.
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richard
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response 187 of 254:
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Mar 9 22:29 UTC 2006 |
similarly, I believe that if men were the ones risking pregnancy, there would
be no debate about the morning after pill. in this society, certainly in the
past, men making decisions for women was acceptable, women making decisions
for men not acceptable.
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tod
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response 188 of 254:
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Mar 9 22:53 UTC 2006 |
If biology was reversed, Wal*Mart wouldn't be the discussion because the day
after pill would be at every convenience store and 7-11 in the country. Guys
just don't want to fuss with stuff like that. Its too easy for them to tell
a woman what to do because they're clueless what a woman's personal life is
like from the plumbing and emotional perspective.
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naftee
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response 189 of 254:
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Mar 10 00:14 UTC 2006 |
they want to build a wal-mart in the old quarry in st-michel. the usual
arguments.
i'm sorry ; i can only think of off-topic stuff to write because i only read
the last response.
where did richard lie ?!
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bru
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response 190 of 254:
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Mar 10 00:17 UTC 2006 |
I have always found that arguement to be fecitious, richard. If red was green
the roses would be weeds. Women have a lot of control over their bodies, just
as men do. They are more than capable of making logical decisions. OR are
they?
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edina
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response 191 of 254:
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Mar 10 00:26 UTC 2006 |
Oh my God....and Twila hasn't killed you yet?
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marcvh
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response 192 of 254:
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Mar 10 00:41 UTC 2006 |
If biology were reversed, then men would be women, and women would be men.
Duh. Why is it so hard for some people to engage in feminist rhetoric
without straying into misandry?
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richard
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response 193 of 254:
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Mar 10 00:48 UTC 2006 |
marcvh, if you insist then, just consider if BOTH men and women could
get pregnant. But in every other way, men and women played the same
roles in society. In that case, abortion would be legal IMO and so
would the morning after pill. Why? Because men in this society would
not place the same restrictions on their decision making that they
would have no problem placing on women.
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marcvh
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response 194 of 254:
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Mar 10 00:52 UTC 2006 |
See what I mean?
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cyklone
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response 195 of 254:
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Mar 10 01:05 UTC 2006 |
Richard is so dense he's apparently unable to see or acknowledge the many
women who would like nothing better than to restrict the reproductive
freedom of other women. So the answer to your question is "no." Richard is
incapable of seeing certain things.
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richard
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response 196 of 254:
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Mar 10 01:23 UTC 2006 |
I never said there weren't women who are pro-life. Of course there
are. What I'm saying is that in the history of this country, MEN have
made the decisions more often than not, and MEN will willingly
restrict the choices a woman can make and will NOT willingly restrict
the choices that they can make.
Its a double standard. A guy who sleeps around is a stud. A woman
who sleeps around is a whore. Why? Because in some people's minds,
men have the right to make more decisions and engage in more
activities than women do.
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richard
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response 197 of 254:
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Mar 10 01:25 UTC 2006 |
And marcvh and cyklone, if you are saying there is no sexism in our
society, and that sexism hasn't played a role in shaping attitudes and
creating laws, I submit that you are not living in the real world.
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scholar
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response 198 of 254:
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Mar 10 01:28 UTC 2006 |
Re. 196: Actually, it's because, ultimately, women can only have one person
pregnant with their children at once and they HAVE to provide MUCH more for
their children by default than men.
This is what the science of evolutionary psychology has taught us.
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marcvh
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response 199 of 254:
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Mar 10 01:33 UTC 2006 |
Sorry Richard, you only responded twice in a row! If only you had responded
a third and fourth time, you might have convinced me. But, instead, I now
believe that there is no sexism in society. That's what Richard said, and
I'm sure it's definitely the truth and not just some bizarre non-sequitur
he made up out of nowhere. Absolutely.
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richard
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response 200 of 254:
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Mar 10 01:37 UTC 2006 |
marcvh re-read my post, I did NOT state as a fact that you believe
there is no sexism in society. I said that if, IF...I F...you believe
there is no sexism in society. Do you not know what the word IF
means? sheesh
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johnnie
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response 201 of 254:
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Mar 10 02:00 UTC 2006 |
People keep saying that if women are allowed to opt out via abortion
or adoption, guys should be able to opt out, too. That's crap.
Abortion and adoption are not true options for many women. Why not say
guys can opt out of child support if they agree to castration or
suicide? Sounds perfectly fair to me.
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cyklone
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response 202 of 254:
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Mar 10 03:32 UTC 2006 |
Richard, given how many women are willing to "oppress" other women, don't you
find your claim "da Man" is keeping them down just a tad patronizing?
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scholar
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response 203 of 254:
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Mar 10 03:56 UTC 2006 |
i like women because they're neat.
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klg
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response 204 of 254:
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Mar 10 04:06 UTC 2006 |
(JEP: Stop calling RW an idiot and a liar. That's my job.)
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