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johnnie
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response 18 of 55:
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Nov 24 15:43 UTC 2003 |
Mmm, I believe he had more than eight seconds to fire off the last two
shots.
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other
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response 19 of 55:
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Nov 24 15:57 UTC 2003 |
Paragraph two is so completely irrelevant as to make one wonder what purpose
it serves besides bragging (resp:17).
Also, keep in mind that Oswalds target was moving at what? 20+ mph? away from
him and across his field of fire at an angle, and he had to both reload and
reacquire his target each time before firing. Suddenly it doesn't sound so
reasonable, huh?
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gelinas
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response 20 of 55:
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Nov 24 16:00 UTC 2003 |
The speed was more like 5 miles per hour, I think. Weren't some of the agents
walking?
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other
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response 21 of 55:
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Nov 24 16:03 UTC 2003 |
I think it was a motorcade, but it's been a while since I've seen the footage,
so if I misremembered it, forgive me. However, the point still stands, though
perhaps less extremely.
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jep
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response 22 of 55:
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Nov 24 16:40 UTC 2003 |
He was using a single shot rifle?
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bru
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response 23 of 55:
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Nov 24 17:26 UTC 2003 |
No, he was using a bolt action rifle, but it had 6 rd magazine.
The point of the second paragraph was that there is a lot of time to aim and
fire a gun in 4 seconds, and if you are trained in it's use, the shot was not
hard at all.
The first shot missed, probably because of nerves, then the training he had
kicked in adn the second two shots were easy.
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willcome
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response 24 of 55:
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Nov 24 19:12 UTC 2003 |
whore.
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johnnie
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response 25 of 55:
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Nov 24 19:56 UTC 2003 |
The motorcade was going about 10mph when Oswald first fired, and it was
traveling more or less straight away from Oswald's elevated position,
and Oswald was using a scope--a pretty easy shot. Plus, once shots
started ringing out, the driver of Kennedy's limo took his foot off the
accelerator and turned around to see what was happening, coming to an
almost dead stop just in time for the final fatal bullet.
The first shot probably missed because Oswald was trying to fire through
tree branches (one of which presumably deflected the bullet).
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tpryan
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response 26 of 55:
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Nov 24 20:18 UTC 2003 |
Oswald could have been knowledgeable of a conspiracy, but I
thing the way to handle Oswald was to make *him* think of the idea.
He seems like the personality that can swing quickly on an issue, so
any handler could leave with oppurtunity and his 'free will'; letting
him know how much of a 'hero' he can be, and have his place in
history.
I seem to recall that Oswald might have had something against
Gov. Connelly, but it didn't seem to be covered in the programs in
the past week.
Could a grassy knoll shotter have missed? Waited for another
shotter to start? Know of Oswald, without Oswald knowing of him?
You wouldn't want Oswald to know you arranged 'back-up'. What about
the glass in the limo that was shot through? Experts who repaired
the car said that a bullet entered front to back--not even allowing
Oswald's missed shot to go there.
Why didn't the driver take advantage of the clear road ahead
of him on the first shot--he was trained.
Who got Oswald the job at the SBD? The route was known
those six weeks ahead at the time someone found him the job.
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aruba
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response 27 of 55:
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Nov 24 20:36 UTC 2003 |
I happened to be in Dallas a few years ago with a weekend free, so I went to
the 6th floor of the Schoolbook Repository building, which is now a museum
devoted to the assassination. It was very moving and well done, and I
recommend it for anyone interested. I have a better sense of where
all the landmarks are, for having seen them in person.
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johnnie
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response 28 of 55:
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Nov 24 20:49 UTC 2003 |
Oswald got his job at the TBD via his landlord (Ruth Paine).
Kennedy's Dallas destination (the Trademart) was picked about a week
before the trip, the motorcade route was decided on a few days after
that, and a detailed description of the route was published in the
Dallas newspapers a couple of days beforehand.
If one is going to believe that The Conspiracy craftily arranged to have
Oswald in the perfect position to shoot JFK, one would need to include
Ruth Paine, the management at the TBD, members of the Kennedy
administration, the Texas Democratic Party, the Secret Service, and the
Dallas police among the plotters. Hardly likely.
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tsty
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response 29 of 55:
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Nov 24 22:27 UTC 2003 |
the book by posner (gerald posner, i think) finely detialed the
non-conspiracy, single-bullet reality.
until i read taht book, the 'single bullet' idea was, to me, wishful
dreaming.
the implications of 'conspiracy' adn the inplications of 'nutty loner'
are so manifest with explosive adn corrosive reactions that, begrudgingly,
i became willing to 'buy' the warren commission report - as defective
as i believe it was/is - as a craven cooling=-off (smothering) for
americans in general.
expecially at that time, anything more involved than 'one lone nut' would
ahve been fodder for incendiary retaliation(s) the likes of which i, for
one, would not have wanted to witness.
so america took its lumps and moved on, painfully, and w/o much closure.
the posner book is recommended reading however. it will calm your nerves.
btw, where were you when .....?
i was in a military science adn tactics class studyign the 81mm mortar.
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bru
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response 30 of 55:
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Nov 25 04:41 UTC 2003 |
I was in 4th grade when it happened.
we were sent home early, the 6th graders were the only ones who knew what had
happended and many of them were crying. They were told not to tell teh rest
of us.
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happyboy
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response 31 of 55:
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Nov 25 05:45 UTC 2003 |
"hey you little 4th grade pussies, guess what i just heard!"
8D
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polygon
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response 32 of 55:
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Nov 25 08:14 UTC 2003 |
I was in 3rd grade, in Red Cedar School in East Lansing. Mrs. Claycomb's
class. We were watching a music lesson on local public television (at the
time, Channel 10 was time-shared between educational WMSB and NBC
affiliate WILX). The East Lansing school district presumably was able to
centralize elementary school music instruction by broadcasting it on cheap
local TV, but I didn't understand this at the time. I thought Mrs.
Acevedo (the music teacher) was a celebrity, practically as big a TV star
as Walter Cronkite.
Anyway, Mrs. Acevedo was going through the "Do Re Mi Re Do" stuff (slowly,
with a piano) when the program was interrupted. No visual, just a slide
saying "NBC NEWS" or similar. The president had been shot. Afterwards,
the music lesson came back on, and we continued. I don't think we were
let out of school early. I didn't find out that he had died until I got
home and found my mother crying.
It wasn't until many years later (like the 1990s) that I found out that my
mother had a miscarriage around this same time, in late November 1963.
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remmers
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response 33 of 55:
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Nov 25 11:36 UTC 2003 |
I was in my first year of graduate school at the University of
Michigan, attending class (modern algebra) at the time of the
assassination. Went back to my dorm room after class to study
and didn't learn of the shooting until an hour or so later
when I heard someone down the hall playing the radio loudly.
It sounded like a newscast reporting a violent incident of some
kind, but I couldn't catch all the details, so I turned on my
radio and soon learned what had happened.
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fitz
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response 34 of 55:
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Nov 25 13:04 UTC 2003 |
I was in drafting class: we were dismissed early. Can you believe that when
I arrived home, I turned on the radio and not the television? 'Tis hard to
imagine nowadays.
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remmers
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response 35 of 55:
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Nov 25 15:07 UTC 2003 |
(True - hard to imagine, although there are exceptions. During last
summer's power blackout there was no choice, as the radio had batteries
but the TV didn't.)
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sj2
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response 36 of 55:
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Nov 25 15:25 UTC 2003 |
The US spent a lot of money on defense in that era. And very big sums
were involved. Why isn't it very likely that the so-called military-
industrial nexus might have led it? The end of the vietnam war would've
cost the defense contractors several hundred billions of dollars.
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tsty
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response 37 of 55:
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Nov 25 17:58 UTC 2003 |
where were you sj2?
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jep
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response 38 of 55:
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Nov 26 15:43 UTC 2003 |
I was only two when jfk was shot. I do remember when his brother Bobby
was killed a few years later. When I got home from school, my mother
was crying and greatly distressed. She loved the Kennedys then.
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willcome
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response 39 of 55:
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Nov 27 09:41 UTC 2003 |
whore.
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jor
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response 40 of 55:
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Nov 27 13:38 UTC 2003 |
we can imagine a single-bullet-theory that might
directly involve willcome
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other
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response 41 of 55:
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Nov 27 16:22 UTC 2003 |
I'm thinking more like 125 bullets. Why miss a good opportunity?
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gelinas
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response 42 of 55:
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Nov 28 03:21 UTC 2003 |
I remember someone sticking her head in the classroom door to announce
that the President had been shot. My mother drove us home from school
(me, some neighbor kids, and probably my siblings, e'en though the younger
wasn't in school yet). 'Twas raining. I watched a lot of television
with my parents over the next few days.
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