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jazz
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response 175 of 248:
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Dec 5 17:07 UTC 2002 |
I think he's thinking in terms of "community service".
There's nothing inherently wrong with the idea. Community credit
unions won't give accounts to someone from Rio de Janeiro, either, if they
don't have local relatives, but there's nothing immoral about it. It just
doesn't seem to be the way that GREX is set up to be.
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mynxcat
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response 176 of 248:
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Dec 5 17:26 UTC 2002 |
This response has been erased.
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krj
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response 177 of 248:
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Dec 5 17:38 UTC 2002 |
Philosophical discussions about Grex, its community and its
services need to be in SOME OTHER ITEM, not the System Problems report.
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cmcgee
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response 178 of 248:
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Dec 5 18:25 UTC 2002 |
Join Coop for a place to discuss the management of Grex.
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mynxcat
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response 179 of 248:
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Dec 5 18:31 UTC 2002 |
This response has been erased.
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russ
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response 180 of 248:
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Dec 7 03:50 UTC 2002 |
The mail delays are pretty bad. I received some e-mail at about 7:20 PM
which was sent at about 5:30 PM.
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aruba
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response 181 of 248:
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Dec 7 04:30 UTC 2002 |
I've seen worse than that, lately. What's going on?
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davel
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response 182 of 248:
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Dec 8 19:06 UTC 2002 |
I've seen much worse than that.
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keesan
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response 183 of 248:
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Dec 9 18:08 UTC 2002 |
The original message was received at Mon, 9 Dec 2002 11:08:17 -0500
from keesan@localhost
----- The following addresses had delivery problems -----
<XXXX@bluegrass.net> (unrecoverable error)
----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to mail.bluegrass.net.:
>>> RCPT To:<XXXX@bluegrass.net>
[The XXXX's are mine to hide the personal address]
<<< 554 Service unavailable; Client host [216.93.104.34] blocked using
bl.spamcop.net; Blocked - see http://spamcop.net/bl.shtml?216.93.104.34
Spamcop has a list of blocked IPs from which spam originates. They take
you off the list after a week of no spams, I think. Is there some way to
ask them to take grex off permanently and just send us a list of spammers
to delete their accounts instead?
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keesan
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response 184 of 248:
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Dec 9 18:24 UTC 2002 |
Here is what I got when I entered 216.93.104.34 into the form at spamcop -
10 reports of spam from grex, with a sampling of the originating
addresses, and a list of the many other times grex has been blacklisted
this year, sometimes for 1 minute, sometimes for 10 days.
Query bl.spamcop.net - 216.93.104.34
216.93.104.34 listed in bl.spamcop.net.
216.93.104.34 Qty Most Recent Oldest
Spam reports: 10 42.87 hours ago
Sat Dec 7 23:21:19 2002 GMT 45.36 hours ago
Rationale: Spam score 10.00: spam report ratio (10.000) exceeds
threshold (0.020)
Samples of reported spam:
Reportid: 132139819 dated Sat Dec 7 23:12:51 2002 GMT
Return-Path: <tmobile@grex.cyberspace.org>
Received: from mb1i0.ns.pitt.edu (mb1i0.ns.pitt.edu [136.142.186.35])
by imap.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisimap-7.2.2.4)
ID <SAA20065@imap.srv.cis.pitt.edu>;
Sat, 7 Dec 2002 18:12:52 -0500 (EST)
Received: from grex.cyberspace.org ([216.93.104.34])
by pitt.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #41462)
with SMTP id <01KPRD2OSGBG004HJ1@mb1i0.ns.pitt.edu>; Sat,
7 Dec 2002 18:12:51 EST
Received: from localhost (tmobile@localhost)
by grex.cyberspace.org (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA20366; Sat,
07 Dec 2002 18:08:14 -0500
Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 18:08:12 -0500 (EST)
From: Kenneth <>
Subject: *** HOLIDAY SEASON SPECIALS FROM T-MOBILE ***
To: x
Message-id: <Pine_________________________________0000@grex.cyberspace.org>
MIME-version: 1.0
Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
Reportid: 123931890 dated
Sun Nov 10 09:16:13 2002 GMT
Status: U
Return-Path: <admin9@cyberspace.org>
Received: from grex.cyberspace.org ([216.93.104.34])
by killdeer (EarthLink SMTP Server) with SMTP id 18aOct1p33NZFlr0
for <x>; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 01:16:13 -0800 (PST)
Received: (from admin9@localhost) by grex.cyberspace.org (8.6.13/8.6.12) id EAA
08366 for x; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 04:17:24 -0500
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 04:17:24 -0500
From: null <>
Message-Id: <2002_____________8366@grex.cyberspace.org>
To: x
[HERE IS A SUMMARY OF ALL THE TIMES GREX GOT ON THE SPAMCOP BLACKLIST]
Listing history:
listed: Sun Nov 25 13:33:01 2001 GMT
delisted: Mon Nov 26 09:20:01 2001 GMT
listed: Sat Feb 9 08:22:01 2002 GMT
delisted: Sun Feb 10 03:57:01 2002 GMT
listed: Thu Apr 25 21:39:01 2002 GMT
delisted: Mon May 6 04:11:01 2002 GMT
[This was for a longer period]
listed: Sun Nov 10 09:34:02 2002 GMT
delisted:Wed Nov 13 09:48:01 2002 GMT
[This sounds like about the time I was unable to write my ISP.]
listed:Sat Dec 7 21:47:01 2002 GMT
delisted:Sat Dec 7 22:43:03 2002 GMT
[Delisted after one minute!]
listed: Sun Dec 8 00:54:02 2002 GMT
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Grex has been on the blacklist since Sunday just after midnight.
Would it help to post this sort of info in the motd so people can expect
to get their mails bounced back and know when to resend them?
--------------
References
6. http://spamcop.net/
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gull
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response 185 of 248:
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Dec 9 19:40 UTC 2002 |
Another note on the 'delayed email' conversation. I just an email early
this afternoon that had been sent at 8 pm last night.
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mdw
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response 186 of 248:
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Dec 10 02:34 UTC 2002 |
Spamcop apparently puts you on the list first and doesn't tell you
afterwards. There's no way a public access system like grex can
guarantee it will stay off such a list. There's also no way such any
system that *uses* such a list can guarantee reliable mail - because the
list itself does not have adequate checks for abuse or mistakes.
Spamcop.net itself grudgingly acknowledges this feature but doesn't
explain why it's inherent in their design:
http://spamcop.net/bl.shtml
I don't see why there's any reason we should make any announcements
regarding this list - any more than we should list when any other mail
service provider goes down for any reason.
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sholmes
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response 187 of 248:
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Dec 10 04:38 UTC 2002 |
I was reading the conferences and when I quit , I got logged out of grex ..
Below is what appeared on my screen
Respond, pass, forget, quit, or ? for more options? p
Browse (item list), Read (new items),
Join confname (type "help conf" for a list of conferences),
Help (for more help), pine (for e-mail)
Quit (to exit) or !change (to change settings).
Ok: Read from remote host grex.org: Connection reset by peer
Connection to grex.org closed.
[ary@mp17 ~]$
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dang
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response 188 of 248:
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Dec 10 04:52 UTC 2002 |
Sounds like a timeout or network glitch. If you got kicked off by the
idle killer, it would have printed a message.
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carson
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response 189 of 248:
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Dec 10 07:38 UTC 2002 |
resp:186 (Spamcop *will* pass along reports, if requested. it would
relatively easy to guess, based on those reports, whether
Grex were a prime candidate for blacklisting.)
http://spamcop.net/fom-serve/cache/94.html
(me, I find it refreshing to know that Grex has only been on Spamcop's
blacklist six times in the past year, and, excepting the late April-
early May period [which appears to be an aberration], for less than
seven days. that's about 98% off-list, right?)
(the "admin9" account appears to have been a toss-away.)
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gull
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response 190 of 248:
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Dec 10 14:26 UTC 2002 |
Given the way Spamcop operates, any site that uses it for rejecting mail
is being irresponsible to their users. It's too sensitive, and too easy
to abuse.
I've used Spamcop, but only for tagging mail to shunt into my Junk Mail
folder, like I would use a content-based filter.
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keesan
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response 191 of 248:
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Dec 10 19:38 UTC 2002 |
I just asked the person to whom I cannot send grex email for a week because
of spamcop to ask his ISP to stop using spamcop's blacklist.
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mdw
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response 192 of 248:
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Dec 10 20:53 UTC 2002 |
Spamcop apparently sends its reports to grex to "uce@" - which is not
required by any RFC and which we don't review on a regular basis.
I found the spamcop report for Nov 6 - the block seems to have been
triggered by spam forwarded *through* grex via a .forward to a certain
chinet account, and thence off to spamcop Nov 7. So the particular spam
responsible for this problem wasn't even originated *on* grex.
Ironically, spamcop's use of uce@ for this mail *was* appropriate; sites
that block grex based on this are deliberately sacrificing mail
reliability and not using spamcop's blocking service the way they
recommend.
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keesan
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response 193 of 248:
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Dec 10 22:31 UTC 2002 |
Is it possible to change things so that mail cannot be forwarded through grex,
or would that interfere with normal use of grex mail?
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mdw
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response 194 of 248:
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Dec 10 22:36 UTC 2002 |
Well, a lot of people, including me, forward mail from grex. So yes, it
would interfere with "normal" use of grex mail. It could be argued that
grex shouldn't be in the mail forwarding business.
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cross
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response 195 of 248:
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Dec 10 22:52 UTC 2002 |
This response has been erased.
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carson
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response 196 of 248:
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Dec 11 06:00 UTC 2002 |
resp:192 (wrong, wrong, wrong.)
(1. SpamCop reports for 216.93.104.34 are currently sent
to abuse@voyager.net. see http://spamcop.net/sc?track=216.93.10
4.34
for details.)
(2. if I receive spam at my Grex address, which forwards to my
Chinet account, and file a SpamCop report, I regularly forward
a copy of that report to uce@grex. this is likely what you are
seeing in the uce inbox.)
(3. there was no SpamCop block on Grex on November 6. you
either must be subconsciously combining the two separate dates
of November 10 and December 7 or not reading carefully. either
way, keesan already cited the two spams sent from Grex that
caused those blocks in an earlier response. you can see them
for yourself at
http://spamcop.net/w3m?action=checkblock&ip=216.93.104.34
I've checked my report #s and can verify that I did *not*
submit either report. of course, I didn't get the spam,
either.) ;)
(re: misinformation keesan is spreading over in coop: Grex was delisted
on the 9th of December. two days is not a week.)
(I concur with all earlier responses regarding the use of SpamCop's
blacklist, namely that it's Not A Good Idea to use it.)
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keesan
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response 197 of 248:
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Dec 11 16:56 UTC 2002 |
Thanks for the delisting information. I will now go back to using grex for
sending email to places that use spamcop's list. (I discovered along the way
that the free webmail service I was forwarding through instead converts all
text attachments to MIME, that my intended recipient's Netscape mail cannot
handle MIME attachments, and that my ISP's webmail not only cannot forward
attachments but cannot read MIME attachments either!!!!!). Pine is great!
Spamcop said they automatically delist sites in a week - I did not understand
the details of when they sometimes delist in less time than this. Can you
explain that?
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remmers
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response 198 of 248:
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Dec 11 17:23 UTC 2002 |
Hmm.... Never heard of a version of Netscape mail that didn't handle
MIME attachments.
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mcnally
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response 199 of 248:
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Dec 11 19:40 UTC 2002 |
Possibly she means the "My Netscape"-portal web-based e-mail, not the
GUI mail client that comes bundled with Navigator?
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