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robh
response 175 of 229: Mark Unseen   Aug 7 15:35 UTC 1996

I believe there are certain aspects of state law that have
to do with members of not-for-profit corporations, and I'm
sure rcurl will be with us shortly to tell us what they are.  >8)
ajax
response 176 of 229: Mark Unseen   Aug 7 18:34 UTC 1996

  I don't see any problems with creating an informal (i.e. not
requiring bylaw changes) non-voting, non-telnetting membership
class.  It seems unnecessary, since almost the same thing is
accomplished by making a non-membership donation, but if it 
brings in another donation, why not?
draven
response 177 of 229: Mark Unseen   Aug 7 19:50 UTC 1996

   It could be done quite easily.  Just add them to the 'member' group,
but not voters or internet.
popcorn
response 178 of 229: Mark Unseen   Aug 7 22:32 UTC 1996

I'm under the impression that Selena wants Internet access too.
pfv
response 179 of 229: Mark Unseen   Aug 8 01:15 UTC 1996

me too... And I remember my grandfather saying: "People in Hell want
Icewater".

I don't see verified use as a problem: never have, never will.

I *DO* see unverified users scurrying thru the Internet (and other) as a
potential problem - for the same reason that cops are going to going to
use if you allow a guest in your home to murder another guest or your
neighbor (particularly if something you own is the weapon).

tsty
response 180 of 229: Mark Unseen   Aug 8 08:06 UTC 1996

fear of a "problem" is creating more grief than it's worth. if selena
gets caught cracking DoD ... remove the internet access. 
mdw
response 181 of 229: Mark Unseen   Aug 8 18:09 UTC 1996

So why is selena more deserving than zbao, poncho, ulissi, surachai, kub, or
pramodp?
pfv
response 182 of 229: Mark Unseen   Aug 8 20:21 UTC 1996

re 180:

        Yeah, closing the barn door after the horse have fled is well
known to be a soverign remedy in curing horse fleeing the barn.
davel
response 183 of 229: Mark Unseen   Aug 9 14:34 UTC 1996

TS, the "grief" in this case is complaints from selena & you.  I'm not sure
that's "more grief than it's worth"; I'd value the hassle caused by problems
a lot more heavily than you do.  *I* don't have to deal with them, but neither
do you, which may be related to your view that they're no big deal.
tsty
response 184 of 229: Mark Unseen   Aug 12 10:21 UTC 1996

she offered to support grex with a donation. aside from that, neither
more or less deserving or undeserving than any other loginid. i think that
makes a difference. 
  
since non-verification is requested, and (apparently) some law says that
*voting* members have to be "verified" (i'm still not real certain about
that, but that seems to be the contemporary position), selena wouldn't be
able to vote. perhaps that's justa  big whoop to her, i.e., no big deal.
  
if i had the opportunity to 'deal with it' my position would not change,
and it didn't when i was in a postion to 'deal with it' a while back. I
consider that the fear of a potential hassle is creating the worthless
grief. further, it is my position that if there ever were 'grief' from
such a situation it is a worthy 'grief' and while i would be disappointed,
certainly, i would not presume to (rhetoric to follow) shackle the 
masses for the anticipated miscreant behaviour of an individual (end rhetoric).
  
brighn
response 185 of 229: Mark Unseen   Aug 12 16:27 UTC 1996

(and, inthe case of selena, it isn't as though there's anyone around who, say,
half the baffers have met in person who's willing to vouch for her, which
isn't the case of most of your Net terrorists:  selena has yet to be shown
to be anything or anyone other than who she claims to be.  If she was really
out to garotte the world using a n anonymous BBS, whould she (a) hang out for
nearly two years trying to convince admin of her good intentions or (b) give
up after four months and go maraud elsewhere?  I know this question is hard,
folks, so I'll give you some extra time to think about it...)
rickyb
response 186 of 229: Mark Unseen   Aug 12 16:45 UTC 1996

So...when is this joint meeting of grex, mnet and hvcn?

scott
response 187 of 229: Mark Unseen   Aug 12 22:47 UTC 1996

Re: 185

Selena has yet to be shown as anything or anyone, due to her rather strong
desire for privacy.  Selena could be *anything*, for all we know.

rickyb
response 188 of 229: Mark Unseen   Aug 13 16:57 UTC 1996

Hey dpc!  Care to update us on this meeting and get your item back on track?!?

selena
response 189 of 229: Mark Unseen   Aug 14 05:05 UTC 1996

        Well, scott, that's because you've never called my voicemail, or 
bumped into me at the Ren Fair. Brighn has.
rickyb
response 190 of 229: Mark Unseen   Aug 14 16:34 UTC 1996

        < hey, sel...can I bump into you? >                     ,}

brighn
response 191 of 229: Mark Unseen   Aug 14 21:21 UTC 1996

*Brighn looks at Ricky B and points him to the Sexuality II conference*
rickyb
response 192 of 229: Mark Unseen   Aug 15 20:38 UTC 1996

just a joke...jeeze.  did you miss the smiley?
dpc
response 193 of 229: Mark Unseen   Aug 29 01:40 UTC 1996

I expect the joint meeting will be some Sunday in September.  I'll be
out of town from 9/1 until 9/9.  The Arbornet Board meets on 9/11.
Probably we will finalize a suggested time/date/place then.
robh
response 194 of 229: Mark Unseen   Aug 29 05:06 UTC 1996

I'll be at RenFest on the 15th (Scottish weekend, yay!) but the 22nd
and 29th should be open for me.
rcurl
response 195 of 229: Mark Unseen   Aug 30 03:16 UTC 1996

Members of non-profit corporations: State law gives non-profits total
freedom in having any number of classes of membership, qualifications for
membership, and whatever rights and privileges they wish, including the
right to vote.  Members *entitled to vote* must be notified of matters
upon which their vote is allowed, of meetings at which they can vote, and
only voting members count toward a quorum for a vote (if a quorum is
required). The organization must keep a record of its members in all
categories. The specifications of classes of membership and their
privileges and duties are provided for in the Articles or Bylaws. 

selena
response 196 of 229: Mark Unseen   Aug 30 13:37 UTC 1996

So, so long as I can't vote...
adbarr
response 197 of 229: Mark Unseen   Aug 30 20:53 UTC 1996

You can certainly vote. Whether your vote is counted in determining the
decision at hand is another question. Vote early! Vote often! But always vote,
it gives the poll watchers justification for being there. Perhaps votes,
unrecogized today will return someday to make a difference. Like comets or
unknown asteroids.
ladyevil
response 198 of 229: Mark Unseen   Aug 31 15:20 UTC 1996

*Slow smile* Thank you, Arnold, I needed that.
srw
response 199 of 229: Mark Unseen   Sep 6 00:15 UTC 1996

The 8th and 15th are already taken for me. I have the 22nd available in 
the morning only, and the 29th is available on my calendar all day.
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