response 176 of 315:

Jul 2 06:32 UTC 1996

I've gotten a couple comments from help-seekers that other helpers
weren't very helpful, but I think the advantages of having anyone be
able to be a helper outweigh the disadvantages.  Everyone gets 
stumped now and then, and as Jenna says, you can always refer them
elsewhere.

response 178 of 315:

Jul 2 15:53 UTC 1996

HEY!!!   ok awake now?  I think this item started by asking wether we should
have a .yes/write
and or a .no/write
It seems to be getting way off the topic at times. why is it some people just
can't come into a item and keep there replies  to the point? 
I have noticed this on several occasions.
But there needs to be a vote put up and a dead-line on when the vote will end.
It needs to explain the properties of .yes/write and .no/write, lets get this
over with. Countless people have been harassed while this item has gone on
and on and on. Point in fact in that there I personally see a legit reason
for not starting .no/write , and while I have read the replies here (and it
took awhile) the only reason I can see anyone against it is that they are one
of the abusers, and don't want to have the women here be able to keep them
from abusing them./

Let's put it to a system wide vote NOW! not way in the future when several
more people have been harassed by certain ass-holes.

response 180 of 315:

Jul 3 11:20 UTC 1996

<remmers is working on finding the time...>

response 182 of 315:

Jul 3 22:19 UTC 1996

That is a splendid summary of the current status!

response 184 of 315:

Jul 4 06:51 UTC 1996

Perhaps because, until it is actually done, persons might still come up
with really good ideas that would contribute to making a better program.

response 186 of 315:

Jul 6 02:07 UTC 1996

Around here, we also don't usually see much need to squelch those who have
ideas *off* the topic but post them in the item anyway.

response 188 of 315:

Jul 6 17:50 UTC 1996

Re carson's belated response to me:
Item 74 was Jenna saying she gets csexed too much.
Items 75-79 were people supporting and complaining about the fact that
Jenna gets csexed too much.
Item 83 was Carson saying that people who post often in After Dark are likely
to get Cybersexed.
I responded by pointing out that Jenna wasn't posting in After Dark when she
started getting hit on.
RELEVANCE, dear boy, would suggest that since the immediately preceeding
conversation was about JEnna, that *you* were suggesting that Jenna *in
particular* was having problems because of her frequent posts in After Dark.
IF that wasn't your intention, then groovy, your post was irrelevant, but
insulting people because *you* don't know standard conversationaly rules of
english and choose to wnader off on your own is a bit unfair, child.

response 190 of 315:

Jul 6 20:51 UTC 1996

(You can come over & read many years' worth sometime, Valerie.  And G&G are
still going strong.  (Their hair is much longer than when *I* had a
subscription.))

response 192 of 315:

Jul 7 00:08 UTC 1996

I thought that Carson's response was really funny, but I still don't think
that Jenna has brought any of this upon herself.  If I have my facts correct,
she hasn't even posted in After Dark under the "jenna" login id.  Besides,
how many of the cybersex offenders even bother to read the conferences?  And
even if whe were to post in After Dark and say all sorts of provocative
things, if she tells someone to bugger off, they should leave her alone.  

response 194 of 315:

Jul 7 05:59 UTC 1996

Then elucidate, Carson, I think I usderstand a lot more than you think I do.

(a) If an individual were seriously interested in finding persons who were
seriously interested in cybersex, the first strategy would be to go to that
portion of the board where the horny hang out.  In the case of Grex, this
would be After Dark.  Yes, when I go to a new board, and I want to find people
who want to flirt and sex and such, I look for the sexually oriented areas.
Is that what you were saying?

(Forget the (a), I was going to put a (b) here, but I'm not going to.)

I'm seriously understanding what your point was, Carson, and the point is,
you haven't made it clear to me what it was.  Comparing me to Goofus is hardly
constructive, and is an excellent way to flame-bait.

(I'm not going to put a (b) not out of fear of flame-baiting myself, or
obfuscating, but because I forgot what it was going to be.   =} )
At any rate, no, the offenders aren't going to After DArk.  If you're
suggesting they are, I suppose I could sit around for the 30 minutes or so
it takes to get the stats of people who've been in there, but I'd be willing
to beat that the vast majority of the "rabbits" have never even been to AFter
Dark.  They *should*.  Then again, posting in AFter DArk is not an indication
of interest in random netsex offers.

response 196 of 315:

Jul 7 06:42 UTC 1996

re #a: that's what I'm suggesting.

re offenders going to AfterDark: I don't recall all of the logins listed
        here, but one that I do remember, udaywig, has. it doesn't really
        take 30 minutes to look if you know what to look for, BTW, but I
        think I know your reference. as I mentioned to you privately, I
        think you'd be surprised at how many do read AfterDark.

re posting: "is not" or "should not be?" try to put yourself in someone
        else's culture/shoes.

response 198 of 315:

Jul 7 13:04 UTC 1996

OK, here's a test that will reduce the controversy:

Next time you get talked, etc. by some new user, type the command
!ls -l /home/***/.cflirt.cf
(replacing *** with the login of whoever is talking you)
This will either get a "file now found" error, indicating that that user hasn't
been in AfterDark (or was, but bombed out without saving, which isn't that easy
to do unless you hang up in the middle of it), *or* you'll get a date (among
other data) that is the last time that use has been in AfterDark.

Report that here, and we'll soon see a pattern of either use or non-user of 
AfterDark.


(Side note to srw about Highlights:  No big surprise you aren't familiar with
Highlights, since it is a Christian magazine for kids.  I used to read them in
the dentist's office, so I don't have especially fond memories of them.  ;)
Goofus and Gallant were role models:  "Goofus stays connected for hours, in 
case he suddenly wants to check his mail.  Gallant finishes reading his mail
and promptly logs out so that somebody else can use his pty.")