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keesan
response 175 of 269: Mark Unseen   May 19 14:07 UTC 2002

Jim fixed two problems with the newest old computer.
1.  During setup he noticed that there used to be a d: and now was not.  With
Partition Magic he discovered that 0.02% of the drive was not being used as
c: (only partition) and he enlarged c: to fill the drive.  Now it defragments.
Yesterday I had got it up to 47% defragmented before it quit, by deleting lots
of personal files (some without clothing on them) and inbox, outbox, cookies
and cache from Netscape (using DOS - the Cache Control promised in the help
files of Netscape under Advanced is NOT THERE).  I got it up from 340M free
to an additional 150M free (490).  There are more things we can delete.  I
deleted AIM using DOS as the program refuses to uninstall, on both computers.
AOL files occupied about 9M, and AIM about 6M.  Compuserve and ATT got deleted
but were at least smaller.  I can delete documents via Control Panel, C:,
delete the entire folder with right click, Delete (or maybe DEL key?) but not
from within WORD.  Odd.  I deleted oodles and oodles of clip art from WORD
95 and 97 and also uninstalled MS Publisher Trial Version Expired (huge). 


Jim deleted the network files from the network folder in Control Panel (or
uninstalled them? - I cannot follow) and it no longer asks for the network
password.

On our friend's computer, we still do not know how to get it to stop asking
for the ISP password, does anyone?  Or to dial after loading Netscape.  Or
to stop giving error messages every time it dials.  Is this a conflict with
some other program?  We don't think we are running anything but the Dialer
but there are little rectangles to the right of START labelled a: c: and My
Computer that we cannot make go away.  On his Win98 computer.  They are not
there on our Win95 computer unless we are running a program or looking at a
file.

Jim discovered that you do not need to have a Startup directory to run a
program when you start - you can type Win Netscape, for instance, from the
DOS prompt, and have a batch file netscape.bat with path in there.  He may
be able to set the batch file to also dial?  To get it to boot in DOS unattrib
msdos.sys and change 1 to 0 for bootgui.  What file might be be able to enter
the password into, assuming it does not need to be encrypted?
keesan
response 176 of 269: Mark Unseen   May 19 17:33 UTC 2002

What is Microsoft Plus (as found with Win95)?
I have freed up 180M more than the 340 we started with.  AOL and MSN were all
over the place.
keesan
response 177 of 269: Mark Unseen   May 20 13:43 UTC 2002

We now have two phone lines at each place.  Is it possible, using a single
computer with Win95 on it, to dial two phone numbers at the same time, so that
I can listen to Realaudio with Win95 and then go to a DOS window to use kermit
to access grex with a second modem and phone line?  We would plug the external
modem into Com1.  If I need to use the mouse with Win95 (I usually do not)
it is a PS/2 mouse).  If this is impossible, can one continue listening to
music while telnetting and is there a free telnet program included with Win95?
A third option is to download and learn to use Kermit for Windows, if you can
run that at the same time as Netscape.  The simplest option, of course, is
to use two computers plugged into two phone lines.  The telnet option would
leave one phone line free, but direct-dial is a faster connection.  I also
have a DOS telnet program - can I use that from a DOS window while Netscape
is running?
gull
response 178 of 269: Mark Unseen   May 20 15:15 UTC 2002

If you're already dialed in with Win95 to use RealAudio, why not use a
Win95 telnet client to access Grex?  Then you wouldn't need to tie up a
second line.  There are several nice ones; I recommend TeraTerm Pro.
keesan
response 179 of 269: Mark Unseen   May 20 17:02 UTC 2002

I was thinking of that, but heard rumors that Win95 already included a telnet
program.  You seem to be implying that it does not, also that it is possible
to stay connected to a Realaudio site (radio) and telnet to grex, which is
useful info.  Is it also possible to stay listening to Realaudio but go to
a DOS prompt and telnet with a DOS telnet program, which I have already?
Can you use a DOS telnet program without going to the DOS prompt?

Jim picked up the large monitor I spotted at the curb around the corner in
the rain.  IT was making snapping noises so he let it dry out.  It seems to
be a working 17" monitor.  We will watch that spot for more offerings.  I
should have collected the last two 15" monitors that theyput out.  The owner
appears to have lots of money.

For anyone interested, it is possible to run a VERY long extension cord.  Jim
says the limit for 24 volt phone cord is about 1/4 mile, though that may apply
only to the black aerial cable which is thicker wire.
gull
response 180 of 269: Mark Unseen   May 20 18:10 UTC 2002

Windows 95 does include a telnet program, called HyperTerminal, but I don't
recommend using it.  It does a poor job of emulating a VT100, and really
isn't worth the trouble.

Your DOS packet-driver software won't work with Windows 95 because Windows
uses a different architecture, called WinSock, for doing network stuff.  I
do remember seeing a Windows 95 text-mode telnet client, that you could run
at a DOS prompt, but I don't remember the name of it.  A web search for
'Windows 95 console mode telnet' might turn it up.
keesan
response 181 of 269: Mark Unseen   May 20 19:13 UTC 2002

Thanks, will go look for that shortly.
keesan
response 182 of 269: Mark Unseen   May 20 19:48 UTC 2002

I found three listings of free or shareware Win95 telnet programs, which in
descending order of size are:
Winsocket (966K), Teraterm Pro (943K, free), Wintel (614K, free),Shell Telnet
(612K, free), Easyterm (278K, free), Puttytel (or Putty with other features-
one of these is 196K), Win31 Console Telnet - three broken links to what
was a 40K then a 169K program but Icannot find it now; and Kevterm (30 K)
which bills itself as simple VT100 emulator and which I will try first.  It
needs mfc.dll (mtc.dll?) - does Win95 come with that?  Simpterm (120K) was
not there either.
keesan
response 183 of 269: Mark Unseen   May 20 20:09 UTC 2002

I found Simpterm, eventually, at www.geoapps.com and console telnet (169K)
at a French shareware site (reseau).
scott
response 184 of 269: Mark Unseen   May 20 23:36 UTC 2002

Putty is pretty nice, it even does SSH.
keesan
response 185 of 269: Mark Unseen   May 20 23:39 UTC 2002

I think it mentioned possibly needing additional files, and kevterm needs
mfc.dll.  I find a library with a related name - do I need one file from it?
One site mentions to put mfc42u.dll in c:\win\system for Win95.
gelinas
response 186 of 269: Mark Unseen   May 21 02:32 UTC 2002

I thought win95 had dialup-networking built-in; I know it is in Win98.
if it does, then you can run your RealAudio application and just about any
telnet client over the same line.  HOWEVER, there's a limit to how much data
can move over a line at the same time.  If  you need to move more than the
line will support (28.8 kilobits, for instance), results aren't going to be
very good.
keesan
response 187 of 269: Mark Unseen   May 21 13:25 UTC 2002

I would only be checking email and reading grex conferences once in a while
during telnet, if I did not want to turn off the 'radio'.  Does anyone have
experience transferring files between two computers that are on the same phone
line, via modem and phone wires?  I was told you have to set the modems to
dial and answer without a ring, but how?  I don't find that in the AT
commands.  Jim says a floppy disk would work easier and faster but I am
curious if you can use a modem.
        Also out of curiosity, can you leave Netscape/Realaudio/Win95 running,
go to a DOS window, and dial a second phone number with a second modem in the
other Com port?  I know there might be an IRQ conflict with the mouse if I
tried to use that at the same time without reassigning the IRQ.  Just curious
if WIndows can handle two modems at the same time.  Also DR-DOS does
multitasking and would that handle two modems simultaneously?
        We ordered inkjet ink for Canon (dye-based) and HP (pigment-based) and
have 2-3 people waiting for refills of each, at about $1-2/refill instead of
$20-35/cartridge for 40 ml (or $6 for a 4ml generic black Canon).  Because
I am such a good customer (I spent $7 and took up 2 hours of his time) the
owner of the company matched another online price (cut his in half).  Maybe
he expect me to go into the refilling business?  My health insurance agent,
while telling me how he used to make a c: drive from part of his 640K RAM
backin 1982, complained about all the junk faxes. He has collected 250 of them
so I gave him the attorney general's address to mail them to.  His big problem
was it was wasting his HP ink at $36/cartridge so he is on the refill list
now.  His printer is a Canon, fax an HP.  He says some health insurance
companies no longer mail you out a disk (or CD) of information but want you
to download all the forms.  Since his customers do not want to wait on the
phone for him to look up info this way, he has dropped those companies.  He
commented that whoever made the decision to not mail out info must have been
freshout of school with no practical experience.  He prefers DOS but has to
go with what the companies require.
keesan
response 188 of 269: Mark Unseen   May 21 14:58 UTC 2002

I downloaded and unzipped both versions of console telnet.  The newer one is
3 times as large.  I put them each in their own directory.  I went into Win95
and dialed with DUN.  I exited as many windows as I could while staying
connected.  I did Ctl-Esc, Programs, MS-DOS prompt, got a full-screen DOS
mode, typed telnet www.grex.org, and here I am.  Very simple and quick.
I am using the older version.  NO mention of VT320 emulation, which I think
I need to do Cyrillic with Kermit.  Have not tried loading Cyrillic
characters, or loading Netscape and then telnetting while listening to the
radio.  Can one type telnet on the Goto line in Netscape instead of going to
the DOS prompt, with this same program?
keesan
response 189 of 269: Mark Unseen   May 21 15:17 UTC 2002

No you cannot type telnet on the 'Location' line even after setting
Preferences Applications to use the telnet program of your choice to telnet.
This time I went to a Realaudio site first, then to the DOS prompt, and the
radio continued to play, and I typed telnet www.grex.org (instead of
specifying the path where my console telnet program resides) and it gave me
a 3/4 screen window on top of Netscape.  The radio continues to give me the
news in Czech.  I presume this is Win95 Hyperterminal telnet.  Is there some
way to get at it besides going to the DOS prompt first?
ea
response 190 of 269: Mark Unseen   May 21 17:16 UTC 2002

You can probably get to telnet by going to the start menu, clicking 
"run" and typing in "telnet grex.org" and then click OK (or press enter)
gull
response 191 of 269: Mark Unseen   May 21 17:44 UTC 2002

Re #187: I transferred files between two computers using two modems
connected with a phone cord, once.  They were 300 baud modems, though.  I
doubt it'd work with newer ones.  Why not just use a null modem cable?  (The
only reason I didn't at the time was one machine had a modem but no serial
port.)
keesan
response 192 of 269: Mark Unseen   May 21 19:15 UTC 2002

The two computers in question are in different houses and were until a couple
of hours ago on the same phone line.  Jim had run it up over the street and
through the yards of three neighbors who gave us permission.  THe next door
neighbor of one of them (who had refused permission saying she was afraid to
get sued) complained to the phone company, who cut it.  Jim is now working
on wiring a cordless phone up not to need batteries and we will see if it
reaches 400 feet, maybe using what is left of our phone lines as antennas.
This neighbor is the same one that I went and talked to when another neighbor
tripped on her sidewalk and was bleeding all over the place (we patched her
up).  She told the neighbor on the other side that she 'hates white people'.
Two of the three people who gave us permission were nice black neighbors. 
She told Jim that the phone cord was tied to 'her tree' - the tree being
totally in the neighbor's yard on the other side of 'her fence' (which
consisted of a few slightly-related pieces of rusty metal and wood).  She had
been 'taking care of' the tree since it sprouted ten years ago (in her
neighbor's yard).  The same neighbor is always complaining to the city about
my landlord, or to the landlord about his tenants.  She objected to our
hanging bamboo shades outside the windows to keep the sun out.  Apparently
it is also 'her street'.
        How far does a 900MHz phone normally reach?

        I set up the start menu with a telnet line that contains the path, file
name and grex on it.  I was able to telnet while still listening to either
Realplayer or Windows Media Player.  I put two lines - for telnet grex and
telnet mnet, and one for Realaudio, and I type Ctl-Esc to access the menu
while in Netscape.

        Jim has to go repair the bike wheel that got driven over for the second
neighbor to give us permission.  He is retired from Ford.  His daughters
(black) are psychiatrists or work for the U or are married to diplomats.  The
other black neighbor has a sister who is a pediatrician.  I think maybe this
is a matter of class rather than race?  It is a puzzle as I thought we were
on friendly terms and I talk to her frequently.  At least we got a chance to
meet a new neighbor who bikes to work.

        Would it help to have a longer antenna at either the handset or the
base end of the cordless phone, or both?  We have the wire in place already,
part of it running underground.  Jim spent two days installing it.  I won't
be able to dial both numbers with the computer but I can at least answer if
someone calls.  We had an older cordless phone working for a while but rather
faintly.
slynne
response 193 of 269: Mark Unseen   May 22 14:14 UTC 2002

Ok, you get mad about barking dogs but think it is ok to string phone 
wires all over the neighborhood? Hahaha

You know, Sindi, I think the phone company can set it up for you where 
you have the same phone number at two different houses. I know I have 
had it set up that way before when I was moving. 
tpryan
response 194 of 269: Mark Unseen   May 22 14:46 UTC 2002

        How many problems can be solved by finishing the new house 
and getting moved in?
keesan
response 195 of 269: Mark Unseen   May 22 14:55 UTC 2002

We did not string phone wires 'all over the neighborhood', just one wire
across the street (neatly bundled with a bunch of others) and along the fences
of three neighbors who gave permission for this.  We did not go into the yard
of the nasty neighbor or do her any harm.
        Do you know if there is a charge for having the same phone at two
places?  The phone company told me to call back later in the week.  In the
meantime JIm is working on connecting the headset of a cordless phone to a
power supply (making it corded).
        My landlord (who goes to the same church as this neighbor, who is
always complaining about him to the city) said we should have talked to her
husband, who is more reasonable.  He is the one I talked to when another
neighbor tripped over their very uneven sidewalk and cut her nose badly and
was bleeding all over the place and we bandaged her up.  I suggested that he
replaced that part of the sidewalk and he did.  We will inform the other
neighbors what sort of person this one is (one already knows, he warned us).
        I have been putting up with the barking dogs.  It would not have cost
this idiot anything to ignore one additional wire running through her
neighbor's yard.  We are told she is getting 'revenge' on us for what some
other people did to her 40 years ago.  I am trying to feel sorry for her.
But I am no longer planning to have any friendly chats with her.
        Jim fixed up the bike of the daughter of one of the neighbors whose
yard we went through and we will be bringing over another bike for her nephew
to replace the one his grandfather drove over.  It can pay to be good
neighbors.  
slynne
response 196 of 269: Mark Unseen   May 22 15:55 UTC 2002

I dont think the phone company charged to have the same number ringing 
in both places but that could be because I didnt notice any chage since 
it would have been small. I think I only had it set up that way for a 
couple of days. The last time I moved, I didnt call in time for them to 
do that so I had them shut off the phone at my old place and 3 weeks 
later they turned on my phone at the new place. 

Anyhow, Sindi, I was just pointing out that a lot of people would find 
stringing a wire across the street to be as annoying as you find 
barking dogs. I agree that the neighbor should have just chilled out 
about it. 
keesan
response 197 of 269: Mark Unseen   May 22 16:12 UTC 2002

Does an additional wire crossing the street (the sixth in a bundle) keep
people awake at night, or damage their hearing, or even interfere with their
use of their yard?

The phone company says you can have the same number at two addresses for a
maximum of 30-45 days and that there is a $42 charge to switch to a new
address.

I am waiting to hear from the city about the legality of putting phone wires
in trees, and also about the legality of putting signs in your house windows
advertising your business that you run out of your house, which generates
traffic, in a residential neighborhood.  The neighbor might like to be
informed if she is doing something illegal so she can stop.  Of course it
would cost her more to use a legal channel such as Ameritech's phone book to
advertise, but probably no more than it would cost me for an extra line.
Also waiting until 1:00 to check out Ypsi's dog noise ordinance.
scott
response 198 of 269: Mark Unseen   May 22 17:16 UTC 2002

Sindi, if you can run your own phone wire over the street, why couldn't I run
my own high-voltage power line (say, for those occasions when one block or
another doesn't have power?  Happens every couple of years here)?  I'd
probably do it safely, so there's no need for anyone else to inspect my line,
right?  And if I can do it, why not everybody else on my block?
keesan
response 199 of 269: Mark Unseen   May 22 18:08 UTC 2002

You are not required to have phone lines inspected.  You are required to have
electrical lines inspected.  There is already a legal distinction.

Jim discovered that this neighbor, who claims to be enforcing the law, has
cut and removed our phone wires from the OTHER side of the fence that she
claims to own, where we got permission to run it from two other neighbors.
Might this be considered illegal, such as theft?  She apparently did it by
reaching over the 'fence'.

Jim is planning to try to get hold of her husband and ask for the return of
our property.  He will also point out that there is a city zoning law which
makes it illegal to put signs in your home in a residential area advertising
a business which you run out of your home (which they have been doing for many
years) and that they are supposed to get a permit from the city to run this
business.  Also that, since they are advertising the business, that Ameritech
requires that they pay for a business phone line instead of residential, and
then pay 8.9 cents per outgoing call (unlike the free 400 calls for
residential lines).  This will give them a free 2-line listing in the yellow
pages.  If her husband does not act neighborly, someone might happen to report
them to the city for the illegal sign - another neighbor pointed the sign out
to us and said it was probably illegal.  SHe has been nasty to him, too.

We will inform the two neighbors whose property she removed our phone line
from.

It is pointless to try to talk to this woman.  When Jim went over there to
try, she pretended she did not know him.  For 20 years she has been talking
to me and asking how he was.  People are strange. 

The city does not know of any rules against running phone extension lines
outside of your house, in trees or elsewhere.  Nor do you need to enclose them
in conduit anywhere, or behind drywall or metal plates.  Any homeowner can
staple up phone cords all over the house.  (It used to be illegal back when
AT&T had a monopoly and you could not even own your own phone).

Ypsilanti has a public nuisance ordinance that also pertains to animals.  They
do not allow 'continued or repeated howling or barking' which is excessive
or annoying to neighbors or 'unreasonably annoys persons or interferes with
their rights'.  He says most complaints are about dogs making noise in
the middle of the night, but any excessive barking can be prosecuted. 
Basically, they only act if someone complains.  So if you are going to have
a noisy dog you had better be nice to your neighbors.  The only noisy dog I
ever reported was owned by someone who was refusing to talk to anyone in five
apartments, had very loud parties and blew all the fuses in the house,
reported three other people for parking within 4' of 'her' driveway, etc.
The same neighbor came home drunk one night having lost her key and broke into
what she thought was her window but happened to be in another apartment.  Two
people told me she was a drug dealer.  The point of calling the city was to
induce her to move away - if you want to modify someone's behavior you start
by discussing it with them but she was past that point.

It has been suggested that we construct two large metal parabolic reflectors
and put antennas on the focal point that are the correct length for the
cordless phone's wavelength (some multiple of 900 Hz, for instance).  Surely
there are no rules against putting parabolas on your roof.

I had no idea so many people were reading our struggles with Windows - you
never know when the topic might change ;).
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