response 174 of 526:

Feb 27 19:47 UTC 2006

Err ... "Plan B is not a drug that 
 causes an abortion. Plan B is a birth control pill. Taking Plan B is 
 likely to prevent the need for a woman to have an abortion."

I'm not one of them, but based on what I can see, most of those who oppose
"Plan B" say that it *is* an abortion. 

response 176 of 526:

Feb 27 19:53 UTC 2006

They say it is an abortion but it isnt. Those same people often claim 
that all hormonal birth control causes abortion as well as other 
methods such as an IUD. I think it is important to get on the same page 
about when pregnancy actually starts. Generally, the beginning of 
pregnancy is when the egg attaches itself to the uterine wall. Many 
right to lifers, however, seem to believe that it begins with 
fertilization of the egg or even before (you might laugh at the whole 
MOnty Python "every sperm is sacred" but they were making a parody of 
an actual view held by many people in the Right-to-Life crowd). 

(Anne keeps slipping in, saying what I planned on saying. I am going to 
post my post anyways though even though it might look like I am copying 
her.) 

response 178 of 526:

Feb 27 19:58 UTC 2006

These people using the bible to defend their foetus is a human life argument
are of the same ilk that used the bible to defend owning slaves.  
bible bible bible bible bible bible bible bible babble bible babble babble

response 180 of 526:

Feb 27 20:05 UTC 2006

All you have to do is get the Religious pro-lifers to agree that life begins
when the bible says it does, when the feotus starts producing blood!  Then
you can dispense the day after pill and the other methods without fear of
ending a life.

response 182 of 526:

Feb 27 20:38 UTC 2006

resp:181 Most people have their 'hot points' or topics that cause the
fury first- then the thinking. This happens to be one for me. ;) I do
think that many of the more vocal pro-lifers do have issues with women,
hatred/fear/jealousy, combinations therein perhaps. 

There also seems to be a trend to dscount scientific information. So
they don't bother to learn anything about it. I also think that the
numbers regarding late-term abortions are inflated by the pro-life side
of things. I know one person who had a late-second trimester abortion.
In that case she was so a- irregular that she didn't know she was
pregnant right away, and b- sure that the fetus was harmed by the
activities that took place before she even knew she was pregnant.

There are also very few women who have no negative feelings regarding an
abortion they've had. If it is as easy as popping a pimple- perhaps they
wouldn't be the best parents in the world anyway...

response 184 of 526:

Feb 27 20:42 UTC 2006

Jep, your limited comprehension skills are slipping further. My example 
about alcohol was a waitron, not a bartender. And the scientology 
reference was based on that religion's frequent and recent public 
statements against the drugs I described, so I fail to see how it is silly 
(BTW, implying Mormons don't believe in prescription drug use is far 
sillier). My point, for those like you who seem unable to grasp what 
others readily see, is that even if you put aside the issue of whether the 
goverment should compel companies to dispense certain drugs, the "get out 
of work free" exemption based on relgious beliefs creates a ridiculous 
burden on employers. It basically says employees can use their religion to 
dictate the terms of their employment. Are you saying you support that? 

Those who claim companies shouldn't be burdened with mandatory dispensing 
laws should also, if they are intellectually honest, recognize that the 
so-called "religious freedom" laws impose burdens at least as great on 
those employers whose rights they claim to support.

response 186 of 526:

Feb 27 21:20 UTC 2006

re #180
 All you have to do is get the Religious pro-lifers to agree that life begins
 when the bible says it does, when the feotus starts producing blood! 
You know that's bullshit, Bruce.
Life begins with the first breath.
Genesis 2:7 "..formed man from the dust of the ground, and breathed into his
nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."

You get a birth certificate when you are born and breath.  

response 188 of 526:

Feb 27 21:27 UTC 2006

There we go what?  

response 190 of 526:

Feb 27 21:50 UTC 2006

I'd like to see Nathan go to a pro-life rally and talk to some real 
pro-lifers, where he can tell them that he thinks that early term
abortions (which is something like 98% of them) should be considered
legally and morally OK.  Do you think they would label him pro-life?

response 192 of 526:

Feb 27 21:55 UTC 2006

hell, I would like to see him go to a pro-life rally and say that he 
thinks that *birth-control* is ok 

response 194 of 526:

Feb 27 22:03 UTC 2006

I really wonder, am I perceived as a "slut hater"?  I keep addressing 
that accusation (and variations on it), because people keep posting 
about how all anti-abortion advocates are of that mindset.

response 196 of 526:

Feb 27 22:20 UTC 2006

re #189
 Birth certificates have nothing to do with when life begins; you have a birth
 certificate when you are born alive.
Clear as mud, right? Born ALIVE.  That means Living aka LIFE.
Before a birth, the woman gets to decide.  Its that simple.
Live with it.