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Grex > Coop > #278: Grex Town Hall -- How do we move forward? |  |
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richard
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response 172 of 357:
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Jun 24 18:33 UTC 2010 |
re #171 yes and Grex owns the copyright. If you publish a letter in a
newspaper, you don't have the right to ask for all copies of that paper
to be destroyed because you changed your mind about what you wrote.
When you gave the letter to the paper and they published it, they
retain the copyrighyt.
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kentn
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response 173 of 357:
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Jun 24 18:44 UTC 2010 |
Only if Grex asserts copyright. Under international law the author owns
the copyright to their work, not the publisher. We could really have
fun with that if it were true (I could just publish someone else's book
and say I own it). I don't think Grex has ever wished to be the owner
of people's copyright to a conference response.
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tonster
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response 174 of 357:
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Jun 24 19:16 UTC 2010 |
resp:141: Are you going to re-write backtalk to introduce that
functionality? Does janc still maintain it? It's not a function of
backtalk today, therefore it's not possible.
resp:170: I can't really agree with that. I don't think that it should
be required that everything I write here be forever property of Grex and
I have no right to it's removal, particularly since Grex allows open
viewing of the conferences without a login. And in case you didn't
realize, Grex is not a newspaper. We have far more in common with
Facebook than with in newspaper, and oh yeah, you have the ability to
remove your posts from Facebook (and if you remove your account, all
your posts go away too).
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richard
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response 175 of 357:
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Jun 24 19:31 UTC 2010 |
Actually didn't Facebook assert last year its rights to posters'
material, because they felt that any comments a user left on another
user's facebook page shouldn't automatically disappear once that user
deleted everything from their own page? Their argument was that if
you post to another user's facebook page, that does not mean that you
control their ability to decide who they share *their* page's content,
which your content is now also part of, with?
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kentn
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response 176 of 357:
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Jun 24 19:33 UTC 2010 |
When you send a letter to a newspaper, you agree to the terms of the
newspaper regarding what will be done with that letter, including not
publishing it all, editing it, publishing it when they feel like it,
destroying it, adding an editorial comment to it, leaving your typos
and bad grammar in it, etc. If you don't like those terms, don't send
a letter. Included in those terms is very like a grant of the right to
publish your copyrighted work (once or many times).
Likewise on Grex, we ask that you not publish anything that will get
Grex in trouble (the proverbial credit card numbers), and that could be
construed to include libelous responses and other responses that are
in some way illegal or which govt. agencies may construe to be illegal
or in need of investigation (e.g. anything that would get DHS on our
backs).
Maybe it's time to revisit the terms you agree to when you post
conference responses, use e-mail, put up a personal web page, etc.
And what Grex may do if you violate those rules.
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richard
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response 177 of 357:
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Jun 24 19:37 UTC 2010 |
Kent said:
"on Grex, we ask that you not publish anything that will get
Grex in trouble (the proverbial credit card numbers), and that could be
construed to include libelous responses"
And lar calling keesan an 'ugly little retard' in the subject line of
his item he just posted isn't libelous?
Anyway there is a big difference between 'asking' and 'requiring'
Perhaps Grex should make explicit that it will assert its copyright as
publisher if necessary and that certain posts, related to libel or
encourgaing illegal activities, will be censored or deleted altogether
if staff deems it appropriate to do so.
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rcurl
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response 178 of 357:
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Jun 24 19:50 UTC 2010 |
Here is a statement on copyright for a bbs: http://is.gd/d2syN
Grex should adopt and state a copyright policy.
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tod
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response 179 of 357:
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Jun 24 19:52 UTC 2010 |
how is calling someone an ugly little retard being libelous?
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richard
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response 180 of 357:
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Jun 24 19:58 UTC 2010 |
re #179 It is claiming as a fact that a user is mentally challenged.
lar didn't state it as his opinion, he stated it as a fact without any
basis to backup the assertion.
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kentn
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response 181 of 357:
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Jun 24 19:59 UTC 2010 |
re 178: that looks pretty good (the board in the link retains a
compilation copyright so they can archive and distribute, but the
individual responses are owned by the people who posted them).
As to asking or requiring, I was paraphrasing. We should look up
the actual wording used on Grex's web page.
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lar
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response 182 of 357:
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Jun 24 20:12 UTC 2010 |
"And lar calling keesan an 'ugly little retard' in the subject line of
his item he just posted isn't libelous? "
It has to untrue before it's libelous,
richard,you are a STUPID COCKSUCKER.
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krj
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response 183 of 357:
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Jun 24 21:18 UTC 2010 |
Basically, unless someone comes up with a good way of putting a
leash on trolls like lar, I wouldn't expect a whole bunch of
additional people to come to Grex conferences.
The population of Grex declined sharply with the rise of
systems which took a more pro-active approach to troll management.
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lar
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response 184 of 357:
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Jun 24 21:23 UTC 2010 |
yeah get rid of lar and they will flock to grex in droves.
You are almost as stupid as richard
No one new will be coming to this circle jerk fest until you turn
newuser back on.
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kentn
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response 185 of 357:
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Jun 24 21:27 UTC 2010 |
The newuser function on the web page is screwed up and staff is aware
of the problem. The newuser you get when you login as newuser@grex
is working just fine. As to the restricted shell and the need for
validation, I agree, that sucks and is driving people away.
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tod
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response 186 of 357:
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Jun 24 21:28 UTC 2010 |
lar, I think he's saying that if you wear a leash then it will attract
a certain element to grex
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lar
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response 187 of 357:
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Jun 24 21:34 UTC 2010 |
ok,I'll break out my spikes and spandex to go with it.
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slynne
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response 188 of 357:
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Jun 24 21:36 UTC 2010 |
resp:183 That is true. It would mean a major philosophical change for
grex though. I can't say that it necessarily a bad thing. The best
solution would be allow the author of an item to moderate it if they
chose to do so. That could absolve grex of some of the legal issues that
have come up in past discussions of moderated conferences. IIRC, the
issue is that if grex volunteers/staff moderate conferences as a matter
of policy, grex could be sued if something which should have been
deleted wasn't.
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richard
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response 189 of 357:
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Jun 24 21:48 UTC 2010 |
This response has been erased.
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richard
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response 190 of 357:
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Jun 24 21:50 UTC 2010 |
re #183 indeed I can think of numerous longtime users of grex who have
long ago left specifically because they felt staff was all but
completely apathetic towards trolls. staff's desire to not have to
delete or close trolls' posts led to the validation patch on newuser
which only punished every other new user. I don't see anything wrong
with requiring that a new item posted by someone be at least remotely
vaguely substantive, saying that a new item posted that just calls a
user names, says "so and so is a cocksucker' has no merit and will be
removed unless the poster can defend his reasons for the post.
Give the user the opportunity to defend his item. "Your item appears
to be just using Grex's conference space to call a user derogative
names. We ask you to defend substantively the reasons for posting this
item in the next 'x' amount of time. If you cannot do so this item
will be deleted."
re #188 I would not allow posters of an item to be moderators of that
item, because inevitably what happens on other boards that have this is
you have an item entered on a political topic and the author of the
item deletes responses in it left and right that he disagrees with.
Limit moderation to the conference fairwitnesses.
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lar
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response 191 of 357:
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Jun 24 21:50 UTC 2010 |
my posts will not be removed you stupid cocksucker.
who gives a fuck what your fairy faggot ass would do? you pansy ass
girlie man
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tod
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response 192 of 357:
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Jun 24 21:58 UTC 2010 |
re #190
I can think of numerous longtime users of grex who have
long ago left specifically because they felt staff was all but
completely apathetic towards trolls
You mean they wanted CENSORSHIP
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richard
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response 193 of 357:
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Jun 24 22:08 UTC 2010 |
re #192 no they didn't want censorship, they wanted trolling to not be
encouraged and they wanted name calling and use of needless derogatory
hurtful language to not be ignored by staff. why do you think valerie
mates left? She was being picked on troll-like by a group of users
mostly from mnet who had it in for her and she felt like she was being
ridiculed, and staff was too high minded to step in and try to do
anything. It wasn't worth it to her to stay around and put up with
mean spirited behaviour in order to read the good posts. She saw Grex
as maintaining a board rather than trying to maintain a community with
good civility. So she left and took all her posts down.
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lar
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response 194 of 357:
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Jun 24 22:15 UTC 2010 |
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lar
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response 195 of 357:
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Jun 24 22:16 UTC 2010 |
Oh shut the fuck up you dumbass...you don;t have a clue what you are
talking about. She left because she got her panties in a wad over the
parody of her baby item in m-net's agora. slynne,mynxcat and a host of
other
GREXORS posted in the item just having fun.
get the facts straight you lying sack of shit
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richard
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response 196 of 357:
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Jun 24 22:18 UTC 2010 |
She felt that was ridiculing her, picking on her
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