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richard
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response 172 of 378:
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Mar 8 15:44 UTC 2006 |
anne did you smoke all those years in part because you thought the cigs could
be a diet aide, like if you were smoking you didn't need to be eating?
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slynne
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response 173 of 378:
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Mar 8 16:07 UTC 2006 |
resp:168 - Would rescue efforts when mines cave in count as a non-
health care cost to society? Probably not. But whatever, I generally
think of obesity as a state of being (like gender, race, sexual
orientation) so whatever extra costs to society there are dont justify
discrimination, shaming, etc. My opinion is that anyone who thinks it
is ok to publicly shame fat people or try to humiliate them are bigots.
I think that the woman who wrote that blog Mary linked to is a bigot.
I think statements like "they could lose weight if they wanted to, they
are just undisciplined" really are similar to "those fags could stop
having sex if they wanted, they are just undisciplined"
I dont know what else to say about it, cyklone.
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edina
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response 174 of 378:
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Mar 8 16:38 UTC 2006 |
You think she's a bigot? Why? Because she's honest?
Come ON! Someone who balloons up to 600 lbs is not *stupid*. They *know*
what they are doing, and by saying, "oh - but you have the right to be like
that" is enabling in a cruel and sadistic way.
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jadecat
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response 175 of 378:
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Mar 8 16:54 UTC 2006 |
resp:172 Nope. I smoked because I liked it and was addicted. However,
given all the chemicals in cigarettes it shouldn't be surprising that
smoking affects metabolism. The altered metabolism theory leading to
weight gain post smoking makes sense to me. It isn't always about the
person quitting eating more- it's that their metabolism has slowed down.
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slynne
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response 176 of 378:
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Mar 8 18:08 UTC 2006 |
I think she is a bigot because she is making those claims about the 600
lb woman based on nothing but her own prejudice. She has NO IDEA what
that woman eats. And even if she does eat that much, is it her fault if
her body doesnt respond to the cues of fullness that other people's do?
Is it her fault that she has a greater appetite than others? I dont
know but I think it is likely that she has something wrong with her
besides a lack of self-control. I think it is possible that is just how
her body is.
What would be interesting to find out although, of course we have no
way of finding out, is how much weight she lost after having gastric
bypass surgury.
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edina
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response 177 of 378:
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Mar 8 18:18 UTC 2006 |
Your sense of denial is pretty much mindblowing to me at this point.
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slynne
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response 178 of 378:
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Mar 8 18:20 UTC 2006 |
I could say the same thing about you.
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edina
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response 179 of 378:
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Mar 8 18:22 UTC 2006 |
Lynne, the difference between us is that I've never let my weight be an excuse
for anything. Sure, I'm somewhat fat. So what?
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slynne
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response 180 of 378:
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Mar 8 18:34 UTC 2006 |
But seriously. I am not in denial about my own weight. I know I am fat.
I am not in denial about my diet. I know it isnt all that great. I am
not even in denial about the possibility that I might have an eating
disorder and a somewhat fucked up relationship with food. What do you
think I am using my weight as an excuse for?
I do find it interesting that whenever fat people try to point out the
prejudices of others they are accused of being in denial. I see this a
lot on some of the size-acceptance sites I read. People seem to have a
real problem if a fat person questions the common view that fat people
are gross or lazy or out of control. They also dont like it if fat
people choose to question just how much control they have over their
diets or metabolism or whatever. And it REALLY happens if they question
the health risks of obesity or suggest that it might be anything less
than a terminal condition.
It reminds me a lot of a book I read about how people think. It was a
book about how people think in frames and tend to discard information
that doesnt fit with the frame they believe. People in this country
tend to believe that everyone has control over every aspect of their
lives. They believe that people who are poor are poor because they
deserve to be and that rich people are better people than they are
simply because they happen to be rich. Any evidence that poverty might
be related to anything other than a person's effort is discarded. Same
with weight.
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slynne
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response 181 of 378:
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Mar 8 18:36 UTC 2006 |
Let me ask you something else. You say that you are still somewhat
overweight. Do you sit around on the couch all day stuffing your face
full of food. There are people who probably think that of you based on
no other information than how you look. Do you think that could mean
that they have prejudices about fat people?
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happyboy
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response 182 of 378:
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Mar 8 18:37 UTC 2006 |
hey, what is your exercise regimine these days? i think that
factor is the most important mentioned in terms of health
impact...well that and NOT smoking.
your bloodwork ok and all?
come visit.
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happyboy
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response 183 of 378:
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Mar 8 18:37 UTC 2006 |
slippage
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scholar
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response 184 of 378:
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Mar 8 18:46 UTC 2006 |
re. 169: does she use commas?!
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slynne
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response 185 of 378:
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Mar 8 18:53 UTC 2006 |
resp:182 - I hurt my knee pretty badly at the end of January so I
stopped walking. Before that, I was taking the dogs out for 1/2 hour
walk at least three times a week but sometimes more often (Jan was a
warm month).
I started walking again when I was in California. I was surprised at
how much out of shape I had gotten in just three weeks. I am slowly
getting back into the old take the dogs out 3 or more times per week.
(So far this week it has been a 45 min walk on sunday and a 30 min walk
yesterday. I'll probably do just a little 20 minute walk tonight
because I have afterwork plans).
I started smoking again in August but have quit again a week ago.
I have a doctor's appointment on the 27th so I have more information
about my health after that time. I know from donating blood that my
blood pressure is good but my iron levels are not (I was refused the
last two times because of that).
I am planning a visit to Seattle soon.
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richard
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response 186 of 378:
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Mar 8 18:54 UTC 2006 |
you couldn't take your dogs out to walk for three weeks? The dogs must have
gained weight too. Obese pets is another problem these days.
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edina
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response 187 of 378:
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Mar 8 18:56 UTC 2006 |
Lynne - I don't care what people think about my habits. Therein lies the crux
of the matter. My issue right now with everything you are saying is that it
seems to be: Fat people can be healthy. I agree with this statement - to
a limited point. Someone can be overweight and have very normal blood
readings, blood pressure, etc. Good on with them. But someone who is 600
lbs is not healthy. And I'm not going to jump on the bandwagon of "I'm ok,
you're ok" - not because society tells me to, but because I've been morbidly
obese and I know how miserable it can be. Not from what society has put on
me (though I do love the special misery of having to ask for a seatbelt
extender and I was ecstatic to let those days go) - but because I just didn't
feel good - physically or emotionally.
Do you want me to tell you that I don't believe there are prejudices? Of
course there are. I just choose to not live by them.
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nharmon
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response 188 of 378:
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Mar 8 18:57 UTC 2006 |
Damn, if I was a vegan I could eat deep fried jalapeneo poppers all day
long. Sweet.
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richard
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response 189 of 378:
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Mar 8 18:58 UTC 2006 |
re #186 and if you'll notice often fat people have fat pets. they share their
junkfood with their pets and feed them five times a day.
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nharmon
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response 190 of 378:
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Mar 8 18:58 UTC 2006 |
Err wait, strike "vegan", change that to "vegetarian".
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edina
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response 191 of 378:
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Mar 8 18:58 UTC 2006 |
No you couldn't - there's cheese in them.
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happyboy
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response 192 of 378:
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Mar 8 19:03 UTC 2006 |
yes he could if he were a lacto-ovo veg.
you know,vegetarian lite.
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nharmon
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response 193 of 378:
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Mar 8 19:03 UTC 2006 |
Ok, I'd be a lactovegetarian then. ;)
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slynne
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response 194 of 378:
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Mar 8 19:24 UTC 2006 |
I never said that the 600lb woman was healthy. I think that probably
she was not and probably her choice to have gastric bypass was a wise
one. What I thought was prejudiced and bigoted about that blog post was
the writer's speculation on the diet that led to someone being 600lbs
and that she chose to call that woman names like "freak."
richard, that is an interesting prejudice you have. FWIW, I dont feed
my pets junk food and the dogs are not fat. The cat is fat but so what?
I dont consider it a problem and neither does she.
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richard
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response 195 of 378:
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Mar 8 19:26 UTC 2006 |
slynne said:
"The cat is fat but so what? "
By refusing to put your cat on a diet, you may be shortening its life.
You don't think cats have heart attacks?
I am not prejudiced against fat pets btw
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richard
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response 196 of 378:
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Mar 8 19:34 UTC 2006 |
I'd like to see some studies on food addiction, because clearly it seems
like you can get addicted to certain types of food just as you can get
addicted to nicotine or alcohol. If you have a physical addiction to a
food, then your overeating is responding to your body's needs. Such
addictions cant always be overcome by sheer discipline, just as some
people can't quit smoking cold turkey. There was a guy here in New York
State, he weighed 1200 pounds, he was addicted to pork sausage and cheese.
Kept a portable stove and frying pan next to his bed. He could not quit
eating sausage and cheese on his own, his body craved it too much. The
problem is there is not a "patch" for food addicts.
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