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happyboy
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response 171 of 226:
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Dec 30 20:50 UTC 2000 |
new age craaap.
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anderyn
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response 172 of 226:
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Dec 31 00:09 UTC 2000 |
Oh I don't know. I like Enya. This album isn't my fave, but it is nice to
have.
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mcnally
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response 173 of 226:
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Dec 31 06:05 UTC 2000 |
Yeah, I don't know that I'd agree with #171 either -- I'd want to save a
label like that for something truly awful, like Tesh or Yanni..
I haven't heard the latst Enya album (or the one before that, or even,
possibly, the one before that..) but I'm pretty willing to believe that
it's exactly what David says it is -- extremely polished, meticulously
crafted, completely calculated, appealing-to-those-who-like-that-sort-
of-thing MOR pop. And what's wrong with that?
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happyboy
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response 174 of 226:
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Dec 31 15:06 UTC 2000 |
she's the irish equivalent of kenny g.
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eeyore
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response 175 of 226:
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Dec 31 15:09 UTC 2000 |
Yeah...much as I really love a lot of the Irish stuff, the computer generated
music just sits all wrong on my nerves...kinda makes me cringe.
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happyboy
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response 176 of 226:
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Dec 31 20:31 UTC 2000 |
i'm down with the acoustic stuff.
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mcnally
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response 177 of 226:
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Jan 1 04:04 UTC 2001 |
re #174: are you sure you're not thinking of Clannad? :-p
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happyboy
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response 178 of 226:
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Jan 1 17:37 UTC 2001 |
enya's sister is WAY better, maaaan.
just fuckin' back off!
;)
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krj
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response 179 of 226:
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Jan 1 20:53 UTC 2001 |
Note for David Bratman: did you ever pick up on the reissue of Clannad's
first album? My recollection is that someone had to remaster it from a
vinyl copy because Philips had lost the master tapes.
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dbratman
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response 180 of 226:
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Jan 3 21:16 UTC 2001 |
Anyone who dislikes Enya is not going to get an argument from me, even
though I do like her. But as Mike observes, there's a huge difference
between Enya and Tesh or Yanni. They are mushy; she is not.
Happyboy: Yes, Maire is a better singer than Enya. But her band is no
longer better. Clannad, too, turned to mush, and were only good when
they were obscure - the purest example of selling out that I know of in
music. ("Selling out" means not just "becoming famous", but losing
whatever made your fame justified in the process.)
Ken: I have a couple early Clannad albums on CD, including "Dulaman"
which was my introduction to the band. The transfer quality on that
one did not strike me as good. But I don't think I have the first
album. My favorite, I recall, was no. 2, which I don't think I've ever
seen on CD.
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mcnally
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response 181 of 226:
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Jan 3 22:14 UTC 2001 |
I've heard people speak well of the early Clannad albums. My only
experience with the band was through a "best of" CD that I checked
out of the library. It pushed nearly every "bad music" button I have,
which is something I wasn't expecting..
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anderyn
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response 182 of 226:
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Jan 4 00:20 UTC 2001 |
Mmm. I don't have any Clannad after "Sirius", I don't think. I'm not sure they
are putting out new albums. My favourite is probably the live album they did
early on, although the music for "Legend" (the soundtrack to the Robin Hood
series) still holds a place of honor in my heart.
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dbratman
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response 183 of 226:
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Jan 4 07:06 UTC 2001 |
I don't know which compilation album of Clannad's you heard, Mike, but
as far as I can tell from a discography online, all such albums consist
mostly if not entirely of stuff from after they "sold out."
Both "Sirius" and "Legend" are also post-sellouts.
I've heard people describe both those albums as "early" Clannad, but
that's like describing "Revolver" as early Beatles. The major change
in their style, like it or not, came before then.
The early Clannad albums are "Clannad", "Clannad 2","Dulaman", "Clannad
in Concert", and "Crann Ull". Opinions differ about "Fuaim", which is
transitional (and which is the only Clannad album with Enya on it). No
others (unless you include a bootleg from the "Clannad in Concert" tour
which I've never heard). One Clannad website, www.jtwinc.com/clannad,
defines the above as "Traditional" and the later albums
as "Electronic", but that's just the beginning of the difference.
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ashke
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response 184 of 226:
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Jan 4 16:41 UTC 2001 |
Okay... Now I'm gonna get pissy. I don't believe in the "selling out"
principle. I didn't know of Clannad UNTIL I saw the Robin Hoods (and I think
that michael praed kicks jason connery's butt any day, thank you very much)
and from there I found both their music and enyas. So if you define selling
out a change in their music to appeal to a more mass audience, then oh well.
without that, I would have never found "Siuil a Ruin" and other songs. I know
that people get very attached to the music a certian way, but I don't fault
other bands for changing or expanding. I'm a fan of celtic music, but it's
nice to hear something different, like the poppy changes that the Corrs are
doing, or even the Chieftans with...everyone.
I'm wondering, and it's an honest question, if people call it "selling out"
because they don't like the changes, or because of the following of people
that generally arise from these pieces...
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eeyore
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response 185 of 226:
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Jan 4 16:51 UTC 2001 |
I like the Chieftans with...everyone stuff. :) The Corrs are ok, but they
don't do much for me. Clannad is okay, but I just never got into it. Enya
sounded too fake. I'm massively hooked beyond reason on Seamus Egan and
Solas.
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krj
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response 186 of 226:
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Jan 4 19:31 UTC 2001 |
David in resp:180 :: I have cds of "Clannad 2" from Shanachie and
"Dulaman" from the Irish label Gael-Linn. I'd have to find them and
compare, but my gut feeling is that the Shanachie reissues are likely
to sound distinctly inferior to the Gael-Linn ones, since Gael-Linn
presumably has the master tapes and Shanachie has been shoddy in their
reissues for Steeleye Span, a band from the same era and side of the Atlantic
as Clannad. But I don't think any of the 1970s Clannad albums are likely
to be sonic wonders.
ashke in resp:184 :: I am of one mind with David on the career history
of Clannad. Usually the way I express it is, I hope they enjoy all
the money. Perhaps our disappointment is greater because we lived
through it; the early albums were contemporary releases for us,
and after they signed to RCA (now BMG) there was a tremendous sense
of disillusionment as the band abandoned most of what made them
special to us. Clannad was one of my two or three favorite artists
back around 1979, and I can still recall how it felt when I first
heard the Robin Hood material.
Since Mike has previously expressed some antipathy towards Irish
folk music, I wouldn't expect him to like Clannad of any era.
Megan, however, has traditionalist leanings and I think she would
probably like the albums David described as the early work.
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anderyn
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response 187 of 226:
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Jan 4 19:54 UTC 2001 |
Solas is great. I'll write more later.
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ashke
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response 188 of 226:
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Jan 4 20:08 UTC 2001 |
Okay, but can you explain then, what you thought they abandoned? I have heard
some of the earlier stuff, and I find it all consistant with a
progression...they can't stay the same forever...
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mcnally
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response 189 of 226:
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Jan 4 20:20 UTC 2001 |
Celtic folk music definitely isn't my favorite kind (I'd go so far as
to agree with Ken that I am closer to antipathy than neutrality on the
subject) but every once in a while I like to double-check music that
I might have written off initially for whatever reason (in this case,
because it came from a genre that I don't particularly care for..)
Some of the stuff I'd borrowed from Ken at one point or another didn't
exactly thrill me, but I could see how people who liked the style might
enjoy it. (For instance, Altan, which seems to make fairly accessible
and probably quite enjoyable music in that style..) The Clannad album
I tried was another matter (for the record, I looked it up and the album
in question was "Anam".. I'd thought it was some sort of "greatest hits"
collection but now I'm not sure..)
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eeyore
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response 190 of 226:
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Jan 4 20:47 UTC 2001 |
You know, I picekd up a Altan album (a double disk best of/live album), based
on everything that I had heard. It's not bad, in fact I'm sure that they are
quite good. But oddly enough, they do absolutely nothing for me. That kinda
surprised me, actually....but I suspect that it might have to do with the fact
that not alot of it was sung in English....and if I can't sing to it, I tend
to write it off.
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micklpkl
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response 191 of 226:
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Jan 5 00:23 UTC 2001 |
Interesting discussion, folks. I'm enjoying it.
(big hint for Twila) I don't have any Clannad, early or late, save for ROGHA
(The best of Clannad). I got that this year, and the only track is really like
is "Newgrange" which was copyrighted in 1983. Is that pre-sellout? I don't
think it really matters to me. OTOH I own almost everything Enya has ever
recorded, including several CD singles --- one of which has a must-play
Christmas song, Silent Night in Gaelic. Her voice affects me internally,
somehow. I do not have, nor have I heard her sing with Clannad, on FUAIM, was
it? Perhaps I will request that on one of the mp3 groups.
This year I have discovered and devoured more Celtic flavoured music than I
ever knew existed! :) I did not care for Altan, at least not the few songs
I heard. I don't think it's the language thing, at least not for me, because
I sing right along, just pronouncing what I think whoever-it-is is singing.
I have discovered many more that I do love: Dervish, Capercaille, Bohinta,
Danu, Lunasu, etc. etc.
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ashke
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response 192 of 226:
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Jan 5 13:47 UTC 2001 |
I agree, Mickey...I love Enya, and the album Orinoco Flow puts me into a
relaxed trance...right around Storms in Africa. <needs to find her cd when
she gets home...>
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micklpkl
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response 193 of 226:
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Jan 5 14:29 UTC 2001 |
To be accurate, that album is entitled WATERMARK.
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ashke
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response 194 of 226:
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Jan 5 14:35 UTC 2001 |
<hangs her head in half-asleep shame and doesn't mention that she hasn't
listened to it in over 2 years....>
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eeyore
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response 195 of 226:
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Jan 5 15:56 UTC 2001 |
(Meg thinks she's going to wander off today and try to find a Chieftiens w/
everybody CD today.....hmmmmm........)
You know, I can't wait for Solas to get back into town,...
And if I remember, I'll try to take the Altan to work....see about giving it
another chance.
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