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gull
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response 167 of 248:
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Dec 4 17:15 UTC 2002 |
Re #157: It's not mail *from* Grex that's the problem, it's mail *to* Grex.
The problem has eased up for me a bit, lately, though I do still
occasionally see mailing list mail arrive out of order (which indicates
a batch of it didn't go through on the first attempt.)
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cmcgee
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response 168 of 248:
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Dec 4 18:15 UTC 2002 |
yeah, I'm still getting reports about mail that bounced from my grex address.
From the AATA, so it shouldn't be spam filtered.
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jlamb
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response 169 of 248:
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Dec 5 00:12 UTC 2002 |
Hola, Why was grex down????????
was it because of the new backtalk update?
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scott
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response 170 of 248:
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Dec 5 00:15 UTC 2002 |
Grex was down because of some kind of power blip, apparently.
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russ
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response 171 of 248:
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Dec 5 02:29 UTC 2002 |
The modems were ringing open around 6 PM. Dunno if this
was a Grex problem or a modem problem.
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russ
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response 172 of 248:
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Dec 5 13:00 UTC 2002 |
Re #165: Mostly because it's likely that someone coming in
through our dialups is in the USA, and we could automagically
include IP blocks belonging to US ISPs if it became an issue.
India and Brazil are no worse off for computers than Ann Arbor
was when Grex was founded; let them follow our example.
Re #166: What part of "or makes a special request" was obscure?
The point is to reduce Grex's mail load (and potential for abuse)
by adding a hoop to jump through before being able to add to the load.
Other sites are much better suited to handling it than we are.
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keesan
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response 173 of 248:
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Dec 5 15:22 UTC 2002 |
Are you suggesting that groups of people in India, making $80/month each if
they are lucky or nothing if they are students, get together and pay for a
fast internet connection? Some of them have really slow connections right
now and Yahoo takes a lot longer to use than grex even at its worst. Ever
had a chat with someone who types a sentence then you both wait 30 sec for
it to appear?
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mcnally
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response 174 of 248:
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Dec 5 16:49 UTC 2002 |
re #172: but I'm still not clear on why American users rate special
privileges under your reasoning. What is it that makes a user from
Atlanta, GA, or Pierre, SD more desirable than one from Madras or
Yogjakarta or Rio de Janeiro?
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jazz
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response 175 of 248:
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Dec 5 17:07 UTC 2002 |
I think he's thinking in terms of "community service".
There's nothing inherently wrong with the idea. Community credit
unions won't give accounts to someone from Rio de Janeiro, either, if they
don't have local relatives, but there's nothing immoral about it. It just
doesn't seem to be the way that GREX is set up to be.
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mynxcat
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response 176 of 248:
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Dec 5 17:26 UTC 2002 |
This response has been erased.
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krj
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response 177 of 248:
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Dec 5 17:38 UTC 2002 |
Philosophical discussions about Grex, its community and its
services need to be in SOME OTHER ITEM, not the System Problems report.
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cmcgee
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response 178 of 248:
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Dec 5 18:25 UTC 2002 |
Join Coop for a place to discuss the management of Grex.
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mynxcat
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response 179 of 248:
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Dec 5 18:31 UTC 2002 |
This response has been erased.
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russ
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response 180 of 248:
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Dec 7 03:50 UTC 2002 |
The mail delays are pretty bad. I received some e-mail at about 7:20 PM
which was sent at about 5:30 PM.
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aruba
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response 181 of 248:
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Dec 7 04:30 UTC 2002 |
I've seen worse than that, lately. What's going on?
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davel
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response 182 of 248:
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Dec 8 19:06 UTC 2002 |
I've seen much worse than that.
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keesan
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response 183 of 248:
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Dec 9 18:08 UTC 2002 |
The original message was received at Mon, 9 Dec 2002 11:08:17 -0500
from keesan@localhost
----- The following addresses had delivery problems -----
<XXXX@bluegrass.net> (unrecoverable error)
----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to mail.bluegrass.net.:
>>> RCPT To:<XXXX@bluegrass.net>
[The XXXX's are mine to hide the personal address]
<<< 554 Service unavailable; Client host [216.93.104.34] blocked using
bl.spamcop.net; Blocked - see http://spamcop.net/bl.shtml?216.93.104.34
Spamcop has a list of blocked IPs from which spam originates. They take
you off the list after a week of no spams, I think. Is there some way to
ask them to take grex off permanently and just send us a list of spammers
to delete their accounts instead?
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keesan
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response 184 of 248:
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Dec 9 18:24 UTC 2002 |
Here is what I got when I entered 216.93.104.34 into the form at spamcop -
10 reports of spam from grex, with a sampling of the originating
addresses, and a list of the many other times grex has been blacklisted
this year, sometimes for 1 minute, sometimes for 10 days.
Query bl.spamcop.net - 216.93.104.34
216.93.104.34 listed in bl.spamcop.net.
216.93.104.34 Qty Most Recent Oldest
Spam reports: 10 42.87 hours ago
Sat Dec 7 23:21:19 2002 GMT 45.36 hours ago
Rationale: Spam score 10.00: spam report ratio (10.000) exceeds
threshold (0.020)
Samples of reported spam:
Reportid: 132139819 dated Sat Dec 7 23:12:51 2002 GMT
Return-Path: <tmobile@grex.cyberspace.org>
Received: from mb1i0.ns.pitt.edu (mb1i0.ns.pitt.edu [136.142.186.35])
by imap.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisimap-7.2.2.4)
ID <SAA20065@imap.srv.cis.pitt.edu>;
Sat, 7 Dec 2002 18:12:52 -0500 (EST)
Received: from grex.cyberspace.org ([216.93.104.34])
by pitt.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #41462)
with SMTP id <01KPRD2OSGBG004HJ1@mb1i0.ns.pitt.edu>; Sat,
7 Dec 2002 18:12:51 EST
Received: from localhost (tmobile@localhost)
by grex.cyberspace.org (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA20366; Sat,
07 Dec 2002 18:08:14 -0500
Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 18:08:12 -0500 (EST)
From: Kenneth <>
Subject: *** HOLIDAY SEASON SPECIALS FROM T-MOBILE ***
To: x
Message-id: <Pine_________________________________0000@grex.cyberspace.org>
MIME-version: 1.0
Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
Reportid: 123931890 dated
Sun Nov 10 09:16:13 2002 GMT
Status: U
Return-Path: <admin9@cyberspace.org>
Received: from grex.cyberspace.org ([216.93.104.34])
by killdeer (EarthLink SMTP Server) with SMTP id 18aOct1p33NZFlr0
for <x>; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 01:16:13 -0800 (PST)
Received: (from admin9@localhost) by grex.cyberspace.org (8.6.13/8.6.12) id EAA
08366 for x; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 04:17:24 -0500
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 04:17:24 -0500
From: null <>
Message-Id: <2002_____________8366@grex.cyberspace.org>
To: x
[HERE IS A SUMMARY OF ALL THE TIMES GREX GOT ON THE SPAMCOP BLACKLIST]
Listing history:
listed: Sun Nov 25 13:33:01 2001 GMT
delisted: Mon Nov 26 09:20:01 2001 GMT
listed: Sat Feb 9 08:22:01 2002 GMT
delisted: Sun Feb 10 03:57:01 2002 GMT
listed: Thu Apr 25 21:39:01 2002 GMT
delisted: Mon May 6 04:11:01 2002 GMT
[This was for a longer period]
listed: Sun Nov 10 09:34:02 2002 GMT
delisted:Wed Nov 13 09:48:01 2002 GMT
[This sounds like about the time I was unable to write my ISP.]
listed:Sat Dec 7 21:47:01 2002 GMT
delisted:Sat Dec 7 22:43:03 2002 GMT
[Delisted after one minute!]
listed: Sun Dec 8 00:54:02 2002 GMT
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Grex has been on the blacklist since Sunday just after midnight.
Would it help to post this sort of info in the motd so people can expect
to get their mails bounced back and know when to resend them?
--------------
References
6. http://spamcop.net/
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gull
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response 185 of 248:
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Dec 9 19:40 UTC 2002 |
Another note on the 'delayed email' conversation. I just an email early
this afternoon that had been sent at 8 pm last night.
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mdw
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response 186 of 248:
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Dec 10 02:34 UTC 2002 |
Spamcop apparently puts you on the list first and doesn't tell you
afterwards. There's no way a public access system like grex can
guarantee it will stay off such a list. There's also no way such any
system that *uses* such a list can guarantee reliable mail - because the
list itself does not have adequate checks for abuse or mistakes.
Spamcop.net itself grudgingly acknowledges this feature but doesn't
explain why it's inherent in their design:
http://spamcop.net/bl.shtml
I don't see why there's any reason we should make any announcements
regarding this list - any more than we should list when any other mail
service provider goes down for any reason.
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sholmes
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response 187 of 248:
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Dec 10 04:38 UTC 2002 |
I was reading the conferences and when I quit , I got logged out of grex ..
Below is what appeared on my screen
Respond, pass, forget, quit, or ? for more options? p
Browse (item list), Read (new items),
Join confname (type "help conf" for a list of conferences),
Help (for more help), pine (for e-mail)
Quit (to exit) or !change (to change settings).
Ok: Read from remote host grex.org: Connection reset by peer
Connection to grex.org closed.
[ary@mp17 ~]$
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dang
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response 188 of 248:
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Dec 10 04:52 UTC 2002 |
Sounds like a timeout or network glitch. If you got kicked off by the
idle killer, it would have printed a message.
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carson
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response 189 of 248:
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Dec 10 07:38 UTC 2002 |
resp:186 (Spamcop *will* pass along reports, if requested. it would
relatively easy to guess, based on those reports, whether
Grex were a prime candidate for blacklisting.)
http://spamcop.net/fom-serve/cache/94.html
(me, I find it refreshing to know that Grex has only been on Spamcop's
blacklist six times in the past year, and, excepting the late April-
early May period [which appears to be an aberration], for less than
seven days. that's about 98% off-list, right?)
(the "admin9" account appears to have been a toss-away.)
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gull
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response 190 of 248:
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Dec 10 14:26 UTC 2002 |
Given the way Spamcop operates, any site that uses it for rejecting mail
is being irresponsible to their users. It's too sensitive, and too easy
to abuse.
I've used Spamcop, but only for tagging mail to shunt into my Junk Mail
folder, like I would use a content-based filter.
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keesan
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response 191 of 248:
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Dec 10 19:38 UTC 2002 |
I just asked the person to whom I cannot send grex email for a week because
of spamcop to ask his ISP to stop using spamcop's blacklist.
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