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jp2
response 165 of 293: Mark Unseen   Feb 8 03:11 UTC 2002

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janc
response 166 of 293: Mark Unseen   Feb 8 03:25 UTC 2002

Is that an expect script?  Seems like massive technological overkill.  This
isn't a task requiring intelligence.  How about this:

  Open some kind of text editor window on your computer.  Type

     Hi, I'm Twill!
     .
     Hi, I'm Twill!
     .
     Hi, I'm Twill!
     .
     Hi, I'm Twill!
     .

  Copy those eight lines into your cut/paste buffer, including the newlines
  at the end of each.

  Telnet to Grex, and enter the bbs.  Type

     set noedalways
     read all nor forceresponse

  Hit the paste button repeatedly.  Each click will probably post the message
  to four items.  Shouldn't take more than a few minutes to do the whole
  conference.  The whole job should take fewer keystrokes than typing the
  expect script.
pgreen
response 167 of 293: Mark Unseen   Feb 8 03:36 UTC 2002

Yeah, but that would have required me to gain knowledge of the commands shown
above. While it is certainly more efficient and quick to execute, neither of
those were included in my goals. Also, I use SSH!
gull
response 168 of 293: Mark Unseen   Feb 8 03:49 UTC 2002

Besides, you know the sysadmin code.  "If you have to do it more than 
twice, automate it."
jep
response 169 of 293: Mark Unseen   Feb 8 14:08 UTC 2002

For the last couple of days, the response box in Backtalk has been 
using robot characters.  I don't know what the font is, but it's a 60's 
computer font looking type of character.  The comma doesn't descend 
below the line and looks like a miniature "L" on it's side...

I thought it was my computer, but realized this morning it's happening 
for both my home and work computers, so it's probably not a change I 
made.

I'd guess this is part of the upgrade to 1.1.11, and that it's not 
intentional.  Please fix it!  Oh, my eyes...

gull
response 170 of 293: Mark Unseen   Feb 8 14:51 UTC 2002

Hmm...the text entry boxes used to be Courier on my system.  Now they 
appear to be Lucidia Console.  Interesting...I had no idea that font 
could be controlled by anything but browser settings.  Lucidia Console 
isn't any worse looking then Courier, really, but it's an optional 
Microsoft font and other systems may substitute one that isn't so 
pleasant.  Courier is less of a problem since pretty much every system 
will have it.
jazz
response 171 of 293: Mark Unseen   Feb 8 16:30 UTC 2002

        CSS, baby, yo.
remmers
response 172 of 293: Mark Unseen   Feb 8 18:33 UTC 2002

Yep.  The source of backtalk pages now has a <STYLE> tag with
contents:  TEXTAREA {font-family: monospace;}
jep
response 173 of 293: Mark Unseen   Feb 8 19:13 UTC 2002

Is there any way to configure my browser to make it give me a more 
reasonable choice for the font?
jazz
response 174 of 293: Mark Unseen   Feb 8 19:40 UTC 2002

        Most browsers have a setting to override a document's specified fonts
with whatever you have set;  whether, and how, this works, depends on the
browser.
janc
response 175 of 293: Mark Unseen   Feb 8 22:38 UTC 2002

Interesting.  I discovered that there are now a lot of browsers that default
to using a proportional font in TEXTAREA boxes.  (Mac versions of IE, for
example).  This has really obnoxious effects, because responses are
*displayed* in a proportional font, but the input wrapping is based on a
proportional font.  Really icky.

So I used a style sheet to force TEXTAREAs to use a monospaced font.  It sets
the font to "monospace" rather than any monospaced fant in particular because
I was figuring that that would be whatever monospaced font is prefered by the
browser.  Obviously Some browsers are doing something different.  I shouldn't
be surprised.

This is easy to change to something different.  I'm open to advice what
should be used.  Courier?
pgreen
response 176 of 293: Mark Unseen   Feb 9 00:46 UTC 2002

Wingdings.
other
response 177 of 293: Mark Unseen   Feb 9 02:45 UTC 2002

I never noticed a difference (mac/NS4.7).

I use monaco-9pt. as my monospace font, and all the plain text on my 
backtalk pages is displayed in it.

There is a setting in most browsers' options to determine what font and 
size the browser uses for monospace and proportional defaults.  You may 
have other options, depending on your browser.
jep
response 178 of 293: Mark Unseen   Feb 9 05:54 UTC 2002

Courier would be vastly better than what I'm getting now.

I'm using IE 5.5 both at home and work.  If there's something simple I 
can do to set up my browser's posting-box font to be something better, 
I'd be happy to do it if someone lets me know what can be done.  What 
I'm getting now is hard to live with.
scott
response 179 of 293: Mark Unseen   Feb 9 14:21 UTC 2002

Jep, I don't know the exact menus for IE, but look for "appearance" or "font"
settings.  There should be settings for regular and monospaced fonts.
jep
response 180 of 293: Mark Unseen   Feb 9 14:42 UTC 2002

Aha.  Okay.  Here's how to do it in IE:

Tools-->Internet Options-->General-->Accessibility
Select "Ignore font styles specified on Web pages

(Why would this be under Accessibility???)

Now to see if the cure is worse than the disease...
jep
response 181 of 293: Mark Unseen   Feb 9 14:42 UTC 2002

Nope, that cures the problem and I haven't seen anything I lost by 
changing the setting.
scott
response 182 of 293: Mark Unseen   Feb 9 15:18 UTC 2002

It would under accessibility because people with vision problems would want
to set a really large font, overriding Web site settings.
keesan
response 183 of 293: Mark Unseen   Feb 9 18:27 UTC 2002

Another cure for the problem, if you don't want to dial in or telnet to grex,
is to use a non-graphical browser which uses screen fonts.  Like lynx.
remmers
response 184 of 293: Mark Unseen   Feb 9 19:05 UTC 2002

...One cost being that you lose mouse support.  Whatever floats your
boat, I guess...
keesan
response 185 of 293: Mark Unseen   Feb 9 20:20 UTC 2002

You don't need a mouse to use the conferences, but lynx for DOS does have
mouse support (optional).  
wh
response 186 of 293: Mark Unseen   Feb 10 16:54 UTC 2002

As everyone knows who is on Grex now, it is running <low voice>
rrrreallllly ssslllooooooowwwwww. In addition I received an error
message "illegal instruction:core dumped" while trying to send mail
in Pine.
other
response 187 of 293: Mark Unseen   Feb 10 17:00 UTC 2002

telnet session.  yup, realllly slow:

Respond or pass?
ld.so: swap space exhausted for mmap data of /usr/lib/libc.so.1.9.1
Pipe interrupt?

Respond or pass?

<...later...>

Respond or pass?
ld.so: swap space exhausted for map heap of /dev/zero
Pipe interrupt?

Respond or pass?

<...later...>

Respond or pass?
Can't execute "more"!
Pipe interrupt?

Respond or pass?
Can't execute "more"!
Pipe interrupt?

Respond or pass? !uptime
 11:52am  up 13 days, 22:04,  20 users,  load average: 69.45, 79.94, 76.27


What is up with those swap errors?
scott
response 188 of 293: Mark Unseen   Feb 10 17:10 UTC 2002

People trying to compile big things which we don't allow on Grex.
gelinas
response 189 of 293: Mark Unseen   Feb 10 17:17 UTC 2002

Which is not allowed: the big compiles, or the things themselves?
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