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Grex > Diversity > #11: Whittier College Republicans to hold "Affirmative Action Bake Sale" |  |
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klg
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response 164 of 217:
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Feb 20 17:34 UTC 2003 |
Too bad they missed the Martin Luther King day sale. The same price
for everybody.
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scott
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response 165 of 217:
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Feb 20 18:04 UTC 2003 |
A nice counterprogramming idea would be to set up a "bagel loans" table right
next to the bake sale table. Whites are cheerfully loaned a dollar for bagel
purchases, while minorities are brushed off with a bogus reason.
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klg
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response 166 of 217:
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Feb 20 18:07 UTC 2003 |
(Because they knead the dough?)
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gull
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response 167 of 217:
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Feb 22 20:42 UTC 2003 |
Did they remember to offer lower prices for U.P. residents and legacies,
too, or did they gloss over that in favor of pretending only race matters in
the admissions process?
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jmsaul
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response 168 of 217:
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Feb 22 23:56 UTC 2003 |
Don't forget that the Provost can give people twice the racial minority
discount at will. "Hey, dude, the Provost said I can have these for 50
cents!"
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tsty
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response 169 of 217:
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Feb 24 08:10 UTC 2003 |
having the provost (or college presidents - aside from university
president) issue points for preferential admission treatment is THE
method that permits *individualised* bias based on *individual*
inspection of the *person*.
blanket dna preference is racism, pure and simple.
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jmsaul
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response 170 of 217:
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Feb 24 13:05 UTC 2003 |
(Actually, the Provost can give the same amount. My bad.)
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tsty
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response 171 of 217:
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Feb 24 18:10 UTC 2003 |
does anyone know how many ppl receive provost-points in any given
entry class of ~5000 / ~350 ?
does provost issue fewer than 20 or only the whole thing?
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jmsaul
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response 172 of 217:
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Feb 24 20:42 UTC 2003 |
Who cares?
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tsty
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response 173 of 217:
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Feb 28 07:44 UTC 2003 |
well, me , for one.
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jmsaul
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response 174 of 217:
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Feb 28 20:32 UTC 2003 |
Why?
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tsty
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response 175 of 217:
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Mar 4 09:35 UTC 2003 |
well, first of all, to see how much individual attentin is being
paid to individual appllicants by a powerful individual.
also to compare the numbers versus the total applicant base.
not who, not you, just general numbers.
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klg
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response 176 of 217:
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Mar 4 17:14 UTC 2003 |
Affirmative Action Car Financing
Does anybody know the details on a lawsuit that is supposedly resulting
in reduced-rate loans on car purchases financed through Nissan, as long
as you happen to be correctly pigmented?
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scott
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response 177 of 217:
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Mar 4 17:18 UTC 2003 |
No, but there was a recent lawsuit against (I think) GM dealers for refusing
to finance people who didn't happen to be light-skinned.
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johnnie
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response 178 of 217:
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Mar 5 02:39 UTC 2003 |
NASHVILLE, Tenn. -- Nissan's financing arm has agreed to stop marking up
loan rates offered to qualified minority buyers under a proposed
settlement of a class-action federal discrimination lawsuit.
The agreement, filed this week, seeks to settle a 1998 lawsuit by black
and Hispanic car buyers from Tennessee and Florida who said Nissan Motor
Acceptance Corp. charged them higher interest rates on car loans than
whites with similar credit ratings.
Under the settlement, NMAC agreed to institute a credit pre-approval
program offering "no markup" rates to black and Hispanic buyers who have
never declared bankruptcy or had cars repossessed. The company said it
will make 675,000 such offers over five years.
The "markup" is a percentage in addition to the minimum percentage rate
at which NMAC approves credit. It usually is split between the dealer
and NMAC.
Studies prepared for the plaintiffs by researchers from Yale and
Vanderbilt showed that rates for minorities could be 30 percent to
50 percent higher than what whites paid.
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mcnally
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response 179 of 217:
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Mar 5 03:27 UTC 2003 |
Boy, it sounds like those "correctly pigmented" minorities get *all*
the breaks. Chalk up another astute call for vigilant egalitarian klg.
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jmsaul
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response 180 of 217:
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Mar 5 14:48 UTC 2003 |
The usual standard of accuracy we expect from klg.
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klg
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response 181 of 217:
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Mar 5 17:07 UTC 2003 |
Au contraire, mon ami. It looks like I was entirely correctomundo. An
affirmative action program - benefiting not those who were
discriminated against, but those who happen to fit the racial profile.
It's a private company, though, so if it WANTS to do it, who am I to
say it's wrong? Unless, there was an "element" of coercion involved.
Ya think there was?? Nah!!
By the way, is there any information as to how "black and Hispanic"
buyers are defined? What's the threshhold of being "black?" Is there
a "blood test" or something?
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gull
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response 182 of 217:
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Mar 5 19:58 UTC 2003 |
Did I read the article wrong? I read it that they'd been adding a
markup to minority loans, and that they were going to stop adding that
markup.
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klg
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response 183 of 217:
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Mar 6 01:29 UTC 2003 |
Yes. They have been adding a markup, and they will continue to add a
markup - only to whites.
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russ
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response 184 of 217:
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Mar 6 02:40 UTC 2003 |
jmsaul 2, klg 0.
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gull
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response 185 of 217:
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Mar 6 15:32 UTC 2003 |
Re #183: I don't see that in the article. Maybe you could provide
another report that supports your interpretation?
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klg
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response 186 of 217:
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Mar 6 17:22 UTC 2003 |
With pleasure:
http://www.oakridger.com/stories/102400/stt_1024000011.html
"Nissan, GM Deny Discrimination in Loan Financing
"NASHVILLE (AP) -- Companies that administer auto loans for Nissan and
General Motors on Monday denied allegations in two class-action
lawsuits that black car shoppers are charged higher rates than white
shoppers.
"Officials with Nissan Motors Acceptance Corp. and General Motors
Acceptance Corp. said both companies have zero-tolerance policies
against discrimination. They said the lenders are never informed of the
customer's race when a loan application is submitted through a car
dealer. And they argued that studies cited in the lawsuits to support
the accusations are flawed.
". . .
"An analyst for Nissan said the plaintiffs' study . . . didn't control
for any other factor other than race," said Janet Thornton, who
conducted NMAC's own statistical analysis. Thornton said that, when
the data are analyzed based on credit characteristics, "we find no
differences by race in the markup charge." . . . ."
(Say, Russ - Have you ever served as a vote counter in Florida?)
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scott
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response 187 of 217:
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Mar 6 18:03 UTC 2003 |
Well, that settles it. We be can confident that corporate officials would
never lie about such things, after all.
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johnnie
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response 188 of 217:
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Mar 6 19:02 UTC 2003 |
Also from klg's link (left out purely by accident, I'm sure):
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The suits...describe an agreement where lenders encourage car dealers to
inflate the interest rate beyond the risk-related rate when they think a
customer will pay it.
The lenders acknowledge they share commissions with car dealers, but
deny inflating the rates based on race.
As for the markup policy, officials with both companies say it is a
standard way to compensate the dealer for arranging the loan.
"The plaintiffs call it a markup. ... We call it a commission," said
Anne Fortney, an NMAC attorney. "The dealer is performing a
service for the creditor and the consumer. ... If it weren't for this
arrangement, we would have to have a loan officer at every
single dealership."
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So, while "both companies have zero-tolerance policies against
discrimination", and "the lenders are never informed of the
customer's race when a loan application is submitted through a car
dealer", the dealer (who quite obviously is aware of the race of the
buyer) seems to be the one setting the markup/commission.
Hard to believe such a foolproof system could ever break down.
Here's my favorite part: "GMAC's Farmer said it is 'an industry
practice, and it's not illegal. We assume when we go to a store and buy
something that it's marked up.'
"Not illegal"--I like that; it's a wonderful rationale for all sorts of
moral transgressions. And somebody should inform Mr Farmer that when we
go to a store we do indeed assume items are marked up, but we assume
they are *not* marked up based on the buyer's race.
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