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Grex > Agora56 > #158: South Dakota challenges Roe v Wade | |
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jadecat
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response 163 of 254:
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Mar 9 21:25 UTC 2006 |
Richard: this is a quote from 102 in which you attribute something to JEP:
This is another case of JEP wanting morality imposed on
people of free will by one institution or another.
That's your opinion based on a mis-reading of what JEP wrote.
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richard
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response 164 of 254:
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Mar 9 21:26 UTC 2006 |
trust me jep, I wouldnt be making this big a deal of it if I was lying. I'm
telling you the truth, and thats why your accusations upset me so much. If
you can't give others the benefit of the doubt, you'll never earn the benefit
of the doubt yourself
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edina
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response 165 of 254:
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Mar 9 21:26 UTC 2006 |
Re 162 - that's directed at Richard, not at John.
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richard
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response 166 of 254:
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Mar 9 21:27 UTC 2006 |
Anne, "this is another case" does NOT refer to the first sentence in that
paragraph. I honestly was referring to JEP's previous post. How hard is that
to understand
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richard
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response 167 of 254:
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Mar 9 21:28 UTC 2006 |
oh yeah edina you're one to talk of acting like a child the way you are
treating poor slynne in item #148 about her weight. Sheesh.
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edina
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response 168 of 254:
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Mar 9 21:29 UTC 2006 |
This always just strikes me as such a "perception is reality" kind of thing...
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jep
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response 169 of 254:
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Mar 9 21:29 UTC 2006 |
Richard, I cannot trust you, because you deliberately lied in a manner
that's impossible for anyone to miss, and because you are insisting
that you didn't. Everyone on Grex can see what you wrote, and that it
is deliberately inaccurate. You've left no room at all for any
credibility for yourself.
"Trust me, despite appearances I'm not lying" is not a way to overcome
a lie that you have told. You gotta have remorse. You gotta
apologize. *And* you gotta try your very best to do better.
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richard
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response 170 of 254:
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Mar 9 21:31 UTC 2006 |
jep you cannot state as a fact I deliberately lied because you are not inside
my head. I *know* I didn't lie. You can either be a man and accept there's
at least the possibility I'm telling the truth, or you can be a stubborn child
and insist that you and only you know who's telling the truth.
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tod
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response 171 of 254:
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Mar 9 21:34 UTC 2006 |
re #140
He should be responsible for 1/2 the costs associated with the pregnancy
and rearing the child.
You think that isn't the way the courts do it today? Why should banning
abortion make responsibility any different for the parents? I think that if
there is a ban on abortion, then we should all have to report to church on
Sunday to listen to sermons given by jep and bru. Kingjon can be the choir
and we'll all sing "Onward Christian Soldiers" along with him. Then, after
that, we can go whip some negroes in the town square and shoot Indians accused
of trying to burn our houses down. Oh wait, I know...I'm being ridiculous
and discriminatory....sorry. Its a man's world.
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jep
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response 172 of 254:
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Mar 9 21:36 UTC 2006 |
re resp:170: Try it this way, Richard.
Trust me. You lied.
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tod
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response 173 of 254:
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Mar 9 21:38 UTC 2006 |
re #160
im starting to see why your last wife left you.
Wow, you're an asshole. I'm at least portraying a stereotype from an online
persona but you are actually saying hurtful shit. Don't be such a prick.
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richard
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response 174 of 254:
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Mar 9 21:38 UTC 2006 |
jep is pro-life because he KNOWS abortion is wrong, he knows it is wrong for
everyone and it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks. It is wrong because
JEP knows it is wrong. JEP isn't in a position to KNOW if abortion is wrong
for another human being anymore than he's in a position to KNOW I lied. He's
not some all-knowing God. But you'd never get JEP to admit he was ever wrong
on anything.
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richard
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response 175 of 254:
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Mar 9 21:38 UTC 2006 |
re #173 and jep, you think calling someone insane, an idiot and a liar isn't
hurtful? You get what you dish out buddy.
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tod
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response 176 of 254:
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Mar 9 21:40 UTC 2006 |
re #174
Ok, thanks. Now please focus on this abortion debate cuz your hyper focus
on jep is ruining my pork roast and taters luncheon.
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jep
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response 177 of 254:
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Mar 9 21:40 UTC 2006 |
Richard, you do not have the power to hurt me. Losing your composure
isn't proving a lot for you.
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richard
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response 178 of 254:
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Mar 9 21:44 UTC 2006 |
my personal integrity is at least as important to me as your last marriage
was to you, you attack my personal integrity and I view it as just as hurtful.
You can apologize, you can admit you overreacted and I might, just might, be
telling the truth, and then I can admit that maybe I overreacted in kind, and
this can be done with.
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jadecat
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response 179 of 254:
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Mar 9 21:46 UTC 2006 |
resp:171 The difference, as I see it, is this- if she doesn't have a
choice about whether or not she has a child (no abortion) than he
shouldn't either. It's not fair. I don't want to see that happening. It
may not also be the mature response to banning abortion- but then
sometimes my emotions get the better of me on this topic.
If abortion is legal than both partners should have a choice. If
abortion is illegal- neither partner has a choice.
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tod
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response 180 of 254:
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Mar 9 21:47 UTC 2006 |
Shutup, liar
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richard
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response 181 of 254:
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Mar 9 21:49 UTC 2006 |
re #179 so anne are you saying that if a woman stops taking the pill and gets
pregnant against her partner's will, and abortion is illegal, that the father
shouldn't be able to decide he doesn't want to participate as a father under
the circumstances?
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edina
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response 182 of 254:
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Mar 9 21:51 UTC 2006 |
Re 178 I love how you're negotiating this.
Wow. This is a face of the pro-choice movement.
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jep
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response 183 of 254:
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Mar 9 21:58 UTC 2006 |
re resp:179: I agree with the point. If a woman is able to abort her
fetus, then it seems morally appropriate for a man to be allowed to get
out of his responsibility, too.
I'm already on record as agreeing with you, that if abortion is not
legal, then the father of a child should be legally obligated to pay
for half of all of the costs of having and raising the child. That
should include all pre-natal care. He should provide support for the
mother to make up for whenever she has to miss work due to the
pregnancy or giving birth.
I think you and I agree on all of that. I think, pretty much, we agree
on the whole range of issues around the question of abortion, except
for the central one about whether abortion ought to be legal.
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richard
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response 184 of 254:
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Mar 9 22:01 UTC 2006 |
jep said:
"re resp:179: I agree with the point. If a woman is able to abort her
fetus, then it seems morally appropriate for a man to be allowed to get
out of his responsibility, too. "
Then why are you against this man's lawsuit? It sounds like you would
support a law such as this man suggests, IF abortion stayed legal. Your
opposition to it then is situational? is that accurate?
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richard
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response 185 of 254:
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Mar 9 22:20 UTC 2006 |
here's the deal. if biology was reversed and it was men who got pregnant,
not women, there would be no abortion argument, because a male dominated
society isnt going to tell a man what to do with his body. I have always
found a high degree of sexism in the abortion debate. Many people who are
pro-life believe in a traditional, male dominant, female subordinate, view
of society. They don't find it natural for women to be making their own
decisions.
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scholar
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response 186 of 254:
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Mar 9 22:22 UTC 2006 |
If men got pregnant instead of women, women would be men and men would be
women.
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richard
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response 187 of 254:
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Mar 9 22:29 UTC 2006 |
similarly, I believe that if men were the ones risking pregnancy, there would
be no debate about the morning after pill. in this society, certainly in the
past, men making decisions for women was acceptable, women making decisions
for men not acceptable.
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