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kingjon
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response 162 of 432:
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Feb 8 02:06 UTC 2006 |
Ah, yes, the distinction between veneration/adoration and worship. I'd
forgotten about that. Thanks for the reference!
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fudge
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response 163 of 432:
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Feb 8 10:34 UTC 2006 |
The cross has been used as a religious symbol long before Christ. Ref.
Dyonisus/Bacchus who was identified by feats such as being born of a virgin
and resurrecting after being transfixed to a tree...
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klg
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response 164 of 432:
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Feb 8 11:46 UTC 2006 |
"Non Christians are beaten over the head" Well, that explains a lot,
RW. I've heard those injuries are nasty.
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richard
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response 165 of 432:
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Feb 8 15:58 UTC 2006 |
re #160 yes thats true and its also true that Christianity didn't start
spreading widely until more than a hundred years after the events in
question. Before that Christianity basically had the status of a cult
with only a small band of loyal followers. We as a civilization have
always responded to images more than words. History is filled with "cults
of personality" where people responded to images of their leaders. The
images, painted and otherwise, of Jesus are very important in depicting
him as a real person. Ironic isnt it that the images we know now of Jesus
were painted by people hundreds of years after the fact who never knew
him, if he existed, nor what he looked like. Sonebody just decided, "I
bet he was a long haired guy with a beard and a nice peaceful look"
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edina
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response 166 of 432:
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Feb 8 16:27 UTC 2006 |
They would have gone with Charles Manson with the swastika carved in his
forehead, but early screening groups were a bit put off.
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bru
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response 167 of 432:
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Feb 8 16:32 UTC 2006 |
you forget the shroud of Turin.
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jep
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response 168 of 432:
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Feb 8 16:44 UTC 2006 |
I saw a cartoon in the Adrian Daily Telegram from yesterday, with a TV
newsman reporting something like "15,000 atheists stormed the offices
of a newspaper when 12 blank sheets of paper were spotted on the desk
of a cartoonist".
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rcurl
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response 169 of 432:
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Feb 8 17:56 UTC 2006 |
C-14 dating of the shroud of Turin give dates of AD 1260 - 1390.
http://www.shroud.com/nature.htm
It is also important to realize that most people of that era were wrapped for
burial. Evidence for wounds can have many explanations.
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tod
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response 170 of 432:
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Feb 8 17:57 UTC 2006 |
Its also possible that some dirty Italian used it after his semi annual bath.
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happyboy
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response 171 of 432:
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Feb 8 18:12 UTC 2006 |
"Luigi!! NOT MY FINE LINEN!!!"
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tod
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response 172 of 432:
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Feb 8 18:28 UTC 2006 |
Ass Crack of Turin
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richard
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response 173 of 432:
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Feb 8 18:34 UTC 2006 |
re #167 The Shroud of Turin has been exposed as almost certainly a hoax. They
have confirmed methods for how it was likely done in the time it was done.
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richard
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response 174 of 432:
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Feb 8 18:38 UTC 2006 |
the commonly accepted depictions of Jesus portray him as a white caucasian,
like your average european. wonder why. In fact studies indicate that Jesus,
if he existed, was likely not caucasian but of a darker skinned complexion
common to semitics of that era.
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khamsun
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response 175 of 432:
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Feb 8 18:39 UTC 2006 |
well everybody will agree Jesus was a semitic guy, probably looking like
one of the guys seen in palestinian crowds.At that time Mohammed wasn't
born, and the israelis that lives at the place now didn't.
These days he'd be arrested by most cops...and rabbis would probably
still try to get rid of him ...
think about it next time Dubya Imperator says on TV "God save my money"
:-)
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nharmon
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response 176 of 432:
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Feb 8 19:14 UTC 2006 |
<nharmon cues up Everlast - Black Jesus>
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tod
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response 177 of 432:
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Feb 8 19:15 UTC 2006 |
I'm fairly certain Moses was similar to Sherman Hemsley and they both sang
"Movin on Up"
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albaugh
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response 178 of 432:
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Feb 8 22:20 UTC 2006 |
richard, learn to read and comprehend English. These are your words:
> the Christian world, where the image of Jesus on the
> cross is a key of the faith.
The image is *NOT* a "key of the faith". Maybe it is a good "marketing tool",
but that's not what you wrote, is it?
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happyboy
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response 179 of 432:
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Feb 8 22:26 UTC 2006 |
only when it's on a keychain.
apparently richard doesnt know much about quakers
j. witnesses, etc
richard...do you think all xtians are of the charismatic
catholic or promise keeper/ dobson dominionist retard school?
you should get out of your apt building more
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richard
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response 180 of 432:
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Feb 8 22:33 UTC 2006 |
re #178 if it is a good marketing tool, a great marketing tool, it is in MY
OPINION, a key to the faith. Albaugh I am entitled to that opinion and you
are entitled to disagree.
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happyboy
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response 181 of 432:
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Feb 8 22:35 UTC 2006 |
when was the last time you say a quaker
waving aroung a crucifix, dickiebird?
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rcurl
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response 182 of 432:
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Feb 9 03:08 UTC 2006 |
Re #173: the web discussions appear to assume that *either* the SoT is the
burial cloth of JC or a medieval hoax. However those are not the only
alternatives. It could be a medieval burial cloth for a medieval person.
Can you cite a site for absolutely certain evidence that the shroud was
prepared with the purpose of being a hoax in medieval times rather than as
being simply the shroud for a human body from that period? Certainly even
if it is nothing more than the latter it could have subsequently be
*claimed* to be the shroud for JC. Making such a claim would then be a
hoax, but not the shroud itself.
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bru
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response 183 of 432:
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Feb 9 03:49 UTC 2006 |
actually, the latest report says the radio carbon dating test was flawed with
detrius from the middle ages caused by the fire that singed the corners with
silver.
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rcurl
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response 184 of 432:
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Feb 9 06:11 UTC 2006 |
Well, that is problematic. There are huge controversies over all aspects
of this. Would you please cite a site giving well-documented and agreed upon
evidence for that alleged flaw in the C14 dating? There are sites that
ridicule the fire story.
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happyboy
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response 185 of 432:
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Feb 9 09:55 UTC 2006 |
oh just let him believe.
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tod
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response 186 of 432:
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Feb 9 16:51 UTC 2006 |
They traced the mitochondria (maternal lineage) DNA back to Ireland. Its
quite possible that its a Sean Penn's bath towel.
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