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Grex > Coop > #278: Grex Town Hall -- How do we move forward? |  |
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lar
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response 160 of 357:
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Jun 24 16:27 UTC 2010 |
This response has been erased.
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lar
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response 161 of 357:
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Jun 24 16:27 UTC 2010 |
This response has been erased.
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lar
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response 162 of 357:
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Jun 24 16:27 UTC 2010 |
This response has been erased.
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lar
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response 163 of 357:
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Jun 24 16:27 UTC 2010 |
This response has been erased.
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tod
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response 164 of 357:
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Jun 24 16:51 UTC 2010 |
<gets indignant>
*tut tut*
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kentn
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response 165 of 357:
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Jun 24 17:21 UTC 2010 |
You'll only be able to edit one response at a time via the usual
interface. So each of those responses can be denied or approved based
on their date/time stamps if we were able to implement that feature.
While it is true that discussions here quite often generate more heat
than light, at least we are trying to understand and trying determine
how best to do things. A lack of good information quite often leads
to misunderstandings, too. So it's fine if someone corrects such a
misunderstanding or asks for more information. We can move forward from
that point.
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richard
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response 166 of 357:
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Jun 24 17:52 UTC 2010 |
the time limit is important because it would prevent circumstances like
when valerie mates decided to leave grex and decided to delete all of
his past posts she ever made here going back years.
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kentn
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response 167 of 357:
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Jun 24 17:56 UTC 2010 |
But we're talking about time limits for editing, not deleting. Are we
proposing a time limit for deleting?
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richard
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response 168 of 357:
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Jun 24 18:01 UTC 2010 |
I think both are advisable.
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kentn
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response 169 of 357:
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Jun 24 18:03 UTC 2010 |
That runs counter to the "you own your own responses" rule.
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richard
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response 170 of 357:
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Jun 24 18:10 UTC 2010 |
re #169 but on grex you don't own your own responses because you can't
edit them. If you write a column in the newspaper, you can't
retroactively go back and remove all the printed columns because they
have been printed and everybody has already read them. They are part
of the paper's record. I'm all for time-limited editing and deleting,
say for twelve or twenty four hours or something, but there should come
a point where the post is considered 'published' and is part of Grex's
record. Valerie should not have been allowed to go back and delete all
her old posts because it makes some items in the old conferences, if
you went back and read them, not make sense. Instead of a conference
that reads like a whole work from a particular point in time, you have
some old confs that now are full of holes because of what she did.
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kentn
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response 171 of 357:
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Jun 24 18:25 UTC 2010 |
Ever hear of copyrights, Richard?
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richard
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response 172 of 357:
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Jun 24 18:33 UTC 2010 |
re #171 yes and Grex owns the copyright. If you publish a letter in a
newspaper, you don't have the right to ask for all copies of that paper
to be destroyed because you changed your mind about what you wrote.
When you gave the letter to the paper and they published it, they
retain the copyrighyt.
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kentn
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response 173 of 357:
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Jun 24 18:44 UTC 2010 |
Only if Grex asserts copyright. Under international law the author owns
the copyright to their work, not the publisher. We could really have
fun with that if it were true (I could just publish someone else's book
and say I own it). I don't think Grex has ever wished to be the owner
of people's copyright to a conference response.
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tonster
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response 174 of 357:
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Jun 24 19:16 UTC 2010 |
resp:141: Are you going to re-write backtalk to introduce that
functionality? Does janc still maintain it? It's not a function of
backtalk today, therefore it's not possible.
resp:170: I can't really agree with that. I don't think that it should
be required that everything I write here be forever property of Grex and
I have no right to it's removal, particularly since Grex allows open
viewing of the conferences without a login. And in case you didn't
realize, Grex is not a newspaper. We have far more in common with
Facebook than with in newspaper, and oh yeah, you have the ability to
remove your posts from Facebook (and if you remove your account, all
your posts go away too).
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richard
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response 175 of 357:
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Jun 24 19:31 UTC 2010 |
Actually didn't Facebook assert last year its rights to posters'
material, because they felt that any comments a user left on another
user's facebook page shouldn't automatically disappear once that user
deleted everything from their own page? Their argument was that if
you post to another user's facebook page, that does not mean that you
control their ability to decide who they share *their* page's content,
which your content is now also part of, with?
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kentn
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response 176 of 357:
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Jun 24 19:33 UTC 2010 |
When you send a letter to a newspaper, you agree to the terms of the
newspaper regarding what will be done with that letter, including not
publishing it all, editing it, publishing it when they feel like it,
destroying it, adding an editorial comment to it, leaving your typos
and bad grammar in it, etc. If you don't like those terms, don't send
a letter. Included in those terms is very like a grant of the right to
publish your copyrighted work (once or many times).
Likewise on Grex, we ask that you not publish anything that will get
Grex in trouble (the proverbial credit card numbers), and that could be
construed to include libelous responses and other responses that are
in some way illegal or which govt. agencies may construe to be illegal
or in need of investigation (e.g. anything that would get DHS on our
backs).
Maybe it's time to revisit the terms you agree to when you post
conference responses, use e-mail, put up a personal web page, etc.
And what Grex may do if you violate those rules.
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richard
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response 177 of 357:
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Jun 24 19:37 UTC 2010 |
Kent said:
"on Grex, we ask that you not publish anything that will get
Grex in trouble (the proverbial credit card numbers), and that could be
construed to include libelous responses"
And lar calling keesan an 'ugly little retard' in the subject line of
his item he just posted isn't libelous?
Anyway there is a big difference between 'asking' and 'requiring'
Perhaps Grex should make explicit that it will assert its copyright as
publisher if necessary and that certain posts, related to libel or
encourgaing illegal activities, will be censored or deleted altogether
if staff deems it appropriate to do so.
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rcurl
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response 178 of 357:
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Jun 24 19:50 UTC 2010 |
Here is a statement on copyright for a bbs: http://is.gd/d2syN
Grex should adopt and state a copyright policy.
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tod
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response 179 of 357:
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Jun 24 19:52 UTC 2010 |
how is calling someone an ugly little retard being libelous?
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richard
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response 180 of 357:
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Jun 24 19:58 UTC 2010 |
re #179 It is claiming as a fact that a user is mentally challenged.
lar didn't state it as his opinion, he stated it as a fact without any
basis to backup the assertion.
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kentn
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response 181 of 357:
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Jun 24 19:59 UTC 2010 |
re 178: that looks pretty good (the board in the link retains a
compilation copyright so they can archive and distribute, but the
individual responses are owned by the people who posted them).
As to asking or requiring, I was paraphrasing. We should look up
the actual wording used on Grex's web page.
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lar
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response 182 of 357:
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Jun 24 20:12 UTC 2010 |
"And lar calling keesan an 'ugly little retard' in the subject line of
his item he just posted isn't libelous? "
It has to untrue before it's libelous,
richard,you are a STUPID COCKSUCKER.
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krj
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response 183 of 357:
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Jun 24 21:18 UTC 2010 |
Basically, unless someone comes up with a good way of putting a
leash on trolls like lar, I wouldn't expect a whole bunch of
additional people to come to Grex conferences.
The population of Grex declined sharply with the rise of
systems which took a more pro-active approach to troll management.
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lar
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response 184 of 357:
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Jun 24 21:23 UTC 2010 |
yeah get rid of lar and they will flock to grex in droves.
You are almost as stupid as richard
No one new will be coming to this circle jerk fest until you turn
newuser back on.
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