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tod
response 159 of 290: Mark Unseen   Feb 3 18:25 UTC 2006

re #158
I rescind my last statement.  SpeakOut minutes are only good for 120 days.

The main thing to remember though is that they don't charge you for "roaming".
Others (like AT&T Free2Go) will suck up your minutes if you go out of area.
Plus, others will make your minutes expire sooner than 120 days if you buy
less time.  Examples:
Verizon "Free-Up" $15 refill only good for 30 days or $30 for 60 days
TMobile "EasySpeak" $10 refill 30 days and $25 to 90 days
These guys will kill you on roaming charges.

There's a good Forum review at
http://forums.wirelessadvisor.com/southern-us-wireless-forum/2079-7-eleven-
spe
ak-out-wireless.html
keesan
response 160 of 290: Mark Unseen   Feb 3 18:55 UTC 2006

Thanks for the info.  I found also Net10, 60 days of 300 minutes $30, which
comes to $15/month if you don't use more than 5 min/day.    5 cents per text
message.  No other fees.  Your $25 for 120 days is certainly the cheapest
for very low usage, but twice the cost per minute.  I don't know if Net10 lets
you use your own phone.  Kiwanis has very cheap used phones.  Net10 offers
$30 used (refurbished) Nokia phones with a choice of cover colors and 37 ring
tones.  (So you can hear yours in a crowd?).  No roaming charges for Net10.
tod
response 161 of 290: Mark Unseen   Feb 3 18:59 UTC 2006

I have mine set to vibrate and ring in crowd situations.  Work hours, its set
to only vibrate.  
Boeing Surplus has a big box of used cell phones, too.  They're maybe $3 each.
I think its much easier to just use the phone that comes with the plan though
because they use SIM chips and providers may charge you a setup fee if you
bring your own..plus batteries might not last as long on older phones, etc..

I have a boeing surplus phone in my wife's car with no service plan.  Its
there if she needs to call 911.
mcnally
response 162 of 290: Mark Unseen   Feb 3 19:25 UTC 2006

 re #146:
 > I think Vonage offers a little widget that plugs into your network
 > and has an ordinary phone jack on it, so you can use whatever regular
 > phones you own.

 They do.  Those devices are commonly called "ATAs" (for "Analog Telephone
 Adapter.")
gull
response 163 of 290: Mark Unseen   Feb 3 19:37 UTC 2006

SIM chips can be moved from handset to handset *if* the handset is "unlocked." Most handsets that are sold with cellular phone service are locked to one particular network, and another network's SIM card won't work. eBay is a good source for unlocked phones.
tod
response 164 of 290: Mark Unseen   Feb 3 19:57 UTC 2006

re #163
The first thing I did with this 7-11 SpeakOut was jam it up with crack
attempts.  Then, I called customer service at Nokia and get the PUK #'s.
Yay me. ;)
keesan
response 165 of 290: Mark Unseen   Feb 4 00:05 UTC 2006

Jim pointed out that you can get call-waiting, which is $6/month, and knocks
you off the computer when someone calls (unless you have a tone phone and dial
with *70 before the ISP number).  However you don't get any signal that this
is happening ,and would need to watch the little black square in icewm that
indicates a connection.  But sometimes it puts garbage on the screen instead
of knocking you off and you have to hangup the computer and answer the phone
before the caller gives up.  .
drew
response 166 of 290: Mark Unseen   Feb 4 06:44 UTC 2006

I handled that problem by running the modem with speaker continuously on. (AT
M2).
keesan
response 167 of 290: Mark Unseen   Feb 4 13:38 UTC 2006

Another solution, for $8/month, would be voice mail with SBC, but people would
still need to wait 3 hours to be called back.
keesan
response 168 of 290: Mark Unseen   Feb 5 03:04 UTC 2006

Net10 says you have to buy their phone, you can't move over the SIM.
Our friends have a cell phone already, they bought it 2 years ago used ($2?)
with cradle/charger) and once put some minutes on it with Verizon and used
it once or twice and lost interest.  I think we can get them another
rechargeable lithium battery in some shell for another cell phone, for $1,
at Kiwanis, and charge it so they can use it for 911.  He is on the computer
6-7 am and 4-6 pm and she is used to this.  He forgot there was no problem.
Today we stopped at Kiwanis to get a ride with him and Jim went to get a modem
and he asked me 'what am I waiting for?'.  'Jim'.  We tried to set him up to
browse without images and turn them on only as needed, and cache them for 24
hours, but he likes to see the latest stock charts and can't remember how to
load images so now we are back to the slow method again. We made him a script
'e' to go directly to email, but one to go directly to a login page sent Opera
into an endless loop (99.9% cpu usage).  He has four bookmarks and is happy.
We told him to tell all his friends to write him at his webmail instead of
grex but also made him a 'g' script to ssh to grex, where Jim set him up to
go straight into Pine email.  Now we are all set to make another such computer
for anyone else who wants to go on the internet in 30MB or less.
keesan
response 169 of 290: Mark Unseen   Feb 8 20:49 UTC 2006

Jim charged for two days the Motorola cell phone from our friends that they
had not used for 2 years.  The battery reads 3.3V now.  How does he test
whether it is working?  Where would he look for an ON or POWER button, or how
else can you test it short of phoning 911?  The LCD screen has nothing on it.
tod
response 170 of 290: Mark Unseen   Feb 8 20:53 UTC 2006

He should be able to turn it on and get a message from the local provider's
network.
keesan
response 171 of 290: Mark Unseen   Feb 8 20:55 UTC 2006

HOW does he turn it on and who is 'the local provider'?
tod
response 172 of 290: Mark Unseen   Feb 8 22:06 UTC 2006

dial a #
the voice message should tell you who the local cell provider is
keesan
response 173 of 290: Mark Unseen   Feb 9 02:18 UTC 2006

How do we dial a number without turning it on first?
If it is sitting in the cradle it is lighted and has some writing on the
screen, but when removed from the cradle it is blank.  Does this mean the
battery has too little current?  
bru
response 174 of 290: Mark Unseen   Feb 9 03:43 UTC 2006

push the red button and hold it down for 10 seconds, it should turn on.  You
wouldn't know anyone who has a used bike for sale cheap.
keesan
response 175 of 290: Mark Unseen   Feb 9 16:07 UTC 2006

Kiwanis has used bikes for $10.  Reuse Center has used bikes for negotiable
prices, probably $10.  If you promise to keep the bike indoors when you are
not using it, Jim could tune up whatever you bought if you biked it to us,
which is easy to do from Kiwanis.  Look for something with the newer style
of brakes that does not say Murray or Huffy or Sears on it.  Aluminum wheels
are also better quality, lighter and don't rust.  Jim might be willing to meet
you at Kiwanis some time.  We gave away our extra bikes already.
ball
response 176 of 290: Mark Unseen   Feb 24 09:20 UTC 2006

Tracfone (and probably other prepaid mobile phone companies)
use phones with custom firmware that prevents their use with
a different provider and prevents people from using phones
from other service providers.

Keesan: let me know if you need a Tracfone.
keesan
response 177 of 290: Mark Unseen   Feb 24 15:54 UTC 2006

Thanks, but our friends appear to have given up on the idea of a cell phone.
They tried one 2 years ago and left it recharging since then.
ball
response 178 of 290: Mark Unseen   Feb 27 01:45 UTC 2006

I should post a rant to the electronics conference about
equipment designed with defective charge circuits that can
cook a battery.

A wireless LAN should be a feature of my next home.  I will
even install one here if I am able to arrange broadband
service.  DSL would probably be least expensive, but as
mentioned in the telephone wiring item I'm struggling to get
a phone jack installed.  :-/
keesan
response 179 of 290: Mark Unseen   Mar 6 21:42 UTC 2006

Jim asks, if you have DSL and a network, does the main computer need to be
left on all the time in order to use the DSL on another computer?  If so, I
presume you don't need monitor or keyboard, and maybe you can run it from RAM
and have the hard drive powered down.  How much power would a server like this
use?  He is thinking about using one wireless PCMCIA network card to share
a neighbor's DSL, then cabling a couple of other computers to that one.  We
have a desktop PCMCIA slot for the card.
rcurl
response 180 of 290: Mark Unseen   Mar 6 22:01 UTC 2006

I would think so as how else would the wireless card get power? We also have
a Ethernet LAN for two Macs, but have a separate wireless adapter on the
network - i.e., not in one of the computers but plugged into the LAN. 
twenex
response 181 of 290: Mark Unseen   Mar 6 22:17 UTC 2006

Re: #179. To use DSL on more than one computer, the best idea is to get a
router which allows you to connect it to an ADSL "modem". The router then
connects to the computers; either by wires, or wirelessly. (Some routers have
both wireless and wired connections, typically 32 of one and 4 of the other).
keesan
response 182 of 290: Mark Unseen   Mar 6 22:55 UTC 2006

We don't have DSL service, the neighbor does.  We want to pick up his service
wirelessly and then wire our computers together with network cable.  We have
a hub.  We don't need 32 connections.  Someone gave us a box with a wireless
router and a wireless PCMCIA ethernet card and we have a PCMCIA slot in one
desktop computer.  Do we need the router or just the card?  We can connect
our computers via nullmodem cable and share a phone connection that way
(telnet from one to the other, or use kermit to connect).  

This is not important, we can just try to make DSL work on one computer in
the living room and listen to streaming audio with it. I am giving up on the
Detroit classical station, it has too many 30 sec noisy commercials and
traffic reports from 3:30 to 7:00 pm, which is when I would have listened to
it because the other stations stop playing music then.  

We could run the sound from the sound card to the digital piano as Aux in,
but I think it is optimized to sound like a boomy grand piano.  

First we need to get ndiswrapper working to use this wireless card in linux.
nharmon
response 183 of 290: Mark Unseen   Mar 7 01:13 UTC 2006

I would be very carefull about setting up a wireless network with a
neighbor in order to share broadband internet. Without said neighbor's
permission, this is clearly illegal. However the law concerning a
neighbor sharing such a connection is still a bit hazy and I wouldn't
want to be the first person to have to defend myself against a phone
company's lawyers.
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