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krj
response 156 of 183: Mark Unseen   Jul 27 06:44 UTC 2000

For the record: the story is published everywhere, you should have 
no trouble finding it.
 
Judge Marilyn Patel granted the immediate injunction sought by 
the RIAA against Napster.  Napster is to shut down the operations 
which enable file trading by midnight Friday, Pacific time.
krj
response 157 of 183: Mark Unseen   Jul 28 07:27 UTC 2000

Two opposing pundit views on the aftermath of the Napster injunction:
 
The Washington Post says that the precedent of the Napster injunction
is a powerful tool which leaves the RIAA and copyright holders in
the driver's seat on the distribution of intellectual property on the 
web.  In particular, the Post author thinks even small-time operators
of Gnutella directories will be sued.

  http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A56246-2000Jul27.html
 
Salon says that the RIAA has won the battle but lost the war.
Napster the company was an entity which the record labels could have 
made deals with; Napster the phenomenon, as represented by the 20
million users eager to exchange free music, isn't going anywhere, and 
now it will be much less controllable.

  http://www.salon.com/tech/col/rose/2000/07/27/napster_shutdown/index.html
mcnally
response 158 of 183: Mark Unseen   Jul 28 19:48 UTC 2000

  It's hard to disagree with either of those two points, except to note
  that the value of the Napster injunction "precedent" isn't set in stone -
  it will change once the RIAA/Napster suit is decided..
mcnally
response 159 of 183: Mark Unseen   Jul 29 03:29 UTC 2000

  Most people will have heard this by now (at least if the news coverage
  I encountered was typical) but the appeals court has issued an order
  staying the Wednesday injunction which ordered Napster to shut down by
  the end of the day.

  To put it more plainly, it appears Napster will be allowed to operate
  while the trial is conducted (unless the appeals court's ruling is itself
  reversed.)
lumen
response 160 of 183: Mark Unseen   Aug 3 09:38 UTC 2000

I heard an NPR interview on this.. I don't remember the name of the 
interviewee, but the gist of the interview is that this technology 
basically cannot be stopped-- users will go elsewhere if Napster is 
shut down, or they won't care much.  Either way, try as they might, the 
RIAA can't keep a lid on all of this issue, and it would be better if 
they worked it the way other media have been treated, i.e., how the 
film industry turned to video to actually *increase* their profits, and 
how cable companies have worked to make legitimate subscription a real 
value.  Basically, the RIAA just needs to get their paws into this and 
turn it to their own ends.
mcnally
response 161 of 183: Mark Unseen   Aug 3 17:24 UTC 2000

  Interesting article at:

   http://www.latimes.com/news/state/updates/lat_needle000801.htm

  Apparently the music and video industires aren't the only ones terrified
  about what unauthorized digital distribution is going to do to their 
  industry.  The latest front in the raging intellectual property war is
  (wait for it..):  needlepoint

  Apparently, overly frugal needlepoint fans are exchanging patterns with
  one another [don't they know how dangerous it is to share needle(points)?]
  The article reads almost, but not quite, like an Onion parody story on
  the Napster issue [Onion Quotient, or OQ, of 85%] complete with quotes like:

       "I'm promoting the designers," said Shawna Dooley, a 25-year-old
       housewife from Alberta, Canada. "We're just sampling the
       patterns. If you like one pattern, you're going to be more
       likely to go out and buy a pattern by that artist next time..."

  and

       ..paying $6 for an entire pattern book is outrageous, said Carole
       Nutter, particularly if a person wants just one or two of the
       dozen designs listed...  "It's like the CD. There's one song you
       want, but you still have to buy the whole thing," said Nutter,
       54, who lives in Bellgrave, Mont., a town of 3,000.  "Why can't
       [the industry] let us pay for what we want, not what they want
       to sell us?"

  and

       ..designer Leavitt-Imblum has ordered her attorney to start
       collecting evidence so she can sue those who exchange copies of
       her patterns, people whom she describes as the "scourge of all
       that is decent and right."
mcnally
response 162 of 183: Mark Unseen   Aug 7 07:33 UTC 2000

  I finally had time to go back and read Courtney Love's music-industry
  diatribe (mentioned in #99, 100, 132..) and I actually found it pretty
  lucid and thought-provoking.  Sure, she's a bit full of herself, but
  I think this is several times in a row now that I've enjoyed reading her
  opinions on music-industry issues, even if I haven't necessarily agreed
  with all of them -- if nothing else, she's not afraid to be blunt.. 
  The speech in question can be found at:

     http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2000/06/14/love/index.html

  Could anyone with greater insight into music industry finances comment
  on the numbers she spins for her financial hypothetical?
krj
response 163 of 183: Mark Unseen   Aug 8 20:46 UTC 2000

Napster is the cover story on the August 14 Business Week magazine.
The material is on the web at http://www.businessweek.com
krj
response 164 of 183: Mark Unseen   Aug 15 20:24 UTC 2000

More articles, pointed to by the news section of mp3.com:
 
Motley Fool has an essay on why the copyright system is doomed:
http://biz.yahoo.com/mf/000814/hill_000814.html
 
Quote:
"More restrictive laws ((on copying)) can't substitute for the 
 consent of the governed.  King George tried that when the American 
 colonies started grumbling.  In the 1920s our own government tried
 it with prohibition..."
 
-----

Another story reports on Hewlett Packard releasing a new line of 
CD-RW drives, bundled with software for creating audio CDs and 
professional-looking printed graphics for the box.  HP acknowledges
that Napster users are driving the CD-RW sales.
"Market analysts figure that consumer demand could be as high
as 30 to 35 million for CD-RW drives this year."  HP reckons that
70-80% of the users are making audio CDs.
krj
response 165 of 183: Mark Unseen   Aug 21 23:22 UTC 2000

Many net news sources cover the brief Napster filed on Friday
with the appeals court.  This is where the RIAA seeks to reinstate
the injunction shutting down Napster, while the company seeks a 
permanent stay.  It's not clear to me that Napster is going to make any 
headway with calling the judge "naive."  It's also not clear to me 
that they will many any headway with their argument that since it is 
impossible for them to distinguish between legal and illegal file 
trading, therefore they must be allowed to operate.
 
----------
 
http://www.upside.com/News/39a1a15c0.html
 
mp3board.com is being sued for linking to illicit MP3 sites.
mp3board has now sued AOL and Time Warner; mp3board argues that AOL,
and Time Warner if the marriage comes off, should indemnify mp3board
if any of mp3board's activities with Gnutella are found to be 
infringing copyrights.  They argue that since Gnutella was developed
by the staff of an AOL division, that the prospective company AOL-Time-
Warner should not be able to collect damages for the use of a 
product they developed.
mcnally
response 166 of 183: Mark Unseen   Aug 22 04:08 UTC 2000

  Heh..  

  It's been astonishing to see the about-face AOL has done on MP3 issues
  since their prospective merger with Time Warner was announced.
krj
response 167 of 183: Mark Unseen   Aug 28 23:42 UTC 2000

Speaking of AOL's about-face:  http://www.inside.com has a piece today
on how the author of Gnutella has disappeared and seems not too happy
to have sold Winamp to AOL.

-----

News item:
 http://www.inside.com/story/Story_Cached/0,2770,8823_9_12_1,00.html

MP3.com, in the copyright case over My.MP3.Com, was able to reach  
settlements with all but one of the major labels.  Universal held out 
and so the trial now moves into a stage to determine damages. 
Universal does not budge: they want billions.  They want MP3.com  
destroyed (KRJ interpretation)   From the inside.com story: 
 
   "According to its filings, Universal is not only trying to get  
    even with MP3.com, but it is also seeking 'deterrence' -- 
    that is, to send a shrill message to Napster, Scour and the like. 
    In one brief, Universal asks Judge Jed Rakoff to 'give notice 
    to other prospective Internet billionaires that violation of the 
    law is not an acceptable business strategy.'" 
 
The article goes on to outline possible MP3.com legal defense  
strategies.
krj
response 168 of 183: Mark Unseen   Aug 31 15:12 UTC 2000

News item:
  http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,38525,00.html

"17 out of 50 US colleges and universities polled  have banned 
 students from using Napster's song-swap service on their 
 campuses, said a report released on Wednesday by research firm
 Gartner Group Inc.
 
 ...

"'I would not want to be the university president who neglected
 to update the school policy regarding music downloads this year,'
 said Robert Labatt, principal analyst for Gartner's e-Business 
 Services group.  'Long legal battles can be costly, and one 
 school could easily be singled out to set legal precedent
 this year.'"
 
Napster's next court date in the Court of Appeals is 
the week of October 2.
krj
response 169 of 183: Mark Unseen   Sep 7 04:26 UTC 2000

Continuing from resp:167 ::  Wired, and most other media, report that the
court has found that mp3.com's infringements of the Universal
Music copyrights was "willful," and it set damages at $25,000
per CD copied into the MyMp3.Com service.  Wired guesstimates
the total bill at around $118 million, which is not enough to 
put mp3.com out of business.
 
mp3.com plans to continue challenges to some of the Universal
copyrights.
krj
response 170 of 183: Mark Unseen   Sep 7 04:53 UTC 2000

www.inside.com says that the number of CDs which were infringed
is not determined.  mp3.com says 4700 which yields the $118 million
figure; Universal claims 10,000 which puts the damages closer to 
$250,000,000.
 
In general the www.inside.com piece is much more pessimistic about
mp3.com's survival.
richard
response 171 of 183: Mark Unseen   Sep 7 04:58 UTC 2000

mp3.com's stock will tank bigtime tomorrow
they wont survive on their own, will need to get bought out
krj
response 172 of 183: Mark Unseen   Sep 15 03:28 UTC 2000

   (( FW note:  I've linked in the two lengthy Napster items from 
      the Agora conference, now that Summer's Agora is winding down.
      I intend to keep most of the news updates on the legal war
      in this item. ))
krj
response 173 of 183: Mark Unseen   Oct 9 20:54 UTC 2000

Lengthy interview with Napster's lead attorney David Boies, in which 
he lays out Napster's four main legal arguments:
 
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/8.10/boies.html
krj
response 174 of 183: Mark Unseen   Oct 11 02:28 UTC 2000

http://www.upside.com runs an interesting rumor that two unnamed 
ISPs are interested in buying Napster.  The idea is that the Napster
server would only be available to customers of the purchasing ISP.
With Napster incorporated as "bait" into a profitable company, 
there would be some money to try to cut a deal with the record 
industry.  
 
No such sale can happen unless a deal can be cut with the record industry,
and the RIAA seems awfully determined not to make any deals.
orinoco
response 175 of 183: Mark Unseen   Oct 11 21:36 UTC 2000

Interesting.  And it would be doubly interesting to see how much damage a
"cover charge" like that would do to the size of Napster's user base.
raven
response 176 of 183: Mark Unseen   Oct 14 22:54 UTC 2000

Also in the same Wired mentioned in #173 a pretty good article by John
Perry Barlow on I.P. and Napster.  It makes the same points basicaly he
made in a ground breaking article on IP in Wired in 1994 that have been
addressed here, but still makes for a good read.  The URL of the earlier
article is http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/2.03/economy.ideas.html



mcnally
response 177 of 183: Mark Unseen   Oct 15 23:54 UTC 2000

  Interesting "is not / is too" accusations are flying between Salon 
  Magazine (www.salon.com) and Leonardo Chiariglione, head of the 
  industry-sponsored Secure Digital Music Initiative (SDMI)

  Salon, citing anonymous SDMI insiders, claims that *all* of the 
  watermarking, encryption, and other security technologies proposed
  as possible standards by the SDMI have already been cracked in record
  time since the SDMI began their "Hack SDMI" challenge (which invites
  would-be hackers to try for $10,000 by breaking SDMI's security schemes.)

  Chiariglione, quoted in [Inside] magazine (www.inside.com) claims that
  nobody knows the results of the contest yet and that none of the 450
  submissions have been properly examined to see whether they're successful
  cracks or not.
krj
response 178 of 183: Mark Unseen   Dec 8 00:07 UTC 2000

We haven't opened this can of worms for a while.  I don't know what to 
think about the deal between BMG and Napster, but one element of it, 
which proposes that Napster charge its users $5 a month, seems like 
it would badly damage Napster by driving away lots of its users, 
and thus thinning the available song selection.
 
mp3.com's streaming service "my.mp3.com" may be in even worse shape.
mp3.com got reamed in the courts for thinking they could save users
the trouble of uploading their mp3 files to the "storage locker"
service.  The revamped service will only allow free access to 
25 CDs; if you want to "store" more than that, it'll be $50 per year,
thank you.   Oh, and major-label products only, please, because those
are the only companies mp3.com has hundreds of millions of dollars
in licensing deals with.

I dunno, I think paying $50 per year to stream CDs that you are supposed
to already own is a non-starter, but then I'm used to dragging a 
box of CDs and a portable player around with me.
mcnally
response 179 of 183: Mark Unseen   Dec 8 00:26 UTC 2000

  It gets worse than that..  I order to prevent people from borrowing
  a copy of a CD to prove that they own it, the my.mp3.com service will
  apparently now require listeners to insert the CDs at random intervals
  to prove they still have them.  If you have to keep the CD media handy
  so you can prove you're not a thief whenever you want to listen to
  something, what exactly is the benefit of the storage locker concept?
  Lower fidelity?  High bandwidth usage?  Limited selection?

  I probably never would have gone for the original service in a big way
  but I think MP3.com got reamed while trying to do the right thing --
  all they were trying to do was provide a digital repository for content
  to which people already had access, even making good-faith efforts to
  ensure they weren't delivering music to people who didn't already have
  a copy..
krj
response 180 of 183: Mark Unseen   Dec 27 05:50 UTC 2000

Not purely an mp3 item, but an mp3.com news pointer leads to it.
   http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/2/15620.html
discusses a "stealth plan" to put a copyright protection system
into all new hard disks starting summer 2001.  Yes, this makes 
backups and large disk farms difficult to impossible to operate.

"But for home users, the party's over.  CRPM paves the way for 
CPRM-compliant audio CDs, and the free exchange of digital 
recordings will be limited to non-CPRM media...."
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