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25 new of 293 responses total.
russ
response 153 of 293: Mark Unseen   Feb 7 06:06 UTC 2002

twill/polytarp's actions were a crapflood attack, a type of DoS attack.
(I used to do the same thing as a counter-crapflood against the "last
item" crapfloods on M-Net, and oddly enough, some of the people saying
it's not a DoS attack here/now said it was there/then....)

Re #146:  Your connection must be really fast, and you must have a lot
of time to spend waiting for the next item to come up.  For some people
the extra time can be a large fraction of what they have available.
Those people are effectively denied service.
jmsaul
response 154 of 293: Mark Unseen   Feb 7 13:42 UTC 2002

I think what you did was, and what they did was.  I'm at least consistent.
tpryan
response 155 of 293: Mark Unseen   Feb 7 14:17 UTC 2002

        A solution is Loss of Personality.  Not just splatting an 
account, but taking the account, locking the password, making the
account only readable to staff/root, redirecting mail to dev/null.
        Does not allow account to be re-created.  Offender cannot
use old account files easily in new account, mail does not bounce,
it disappears.
aruba
response 156 of 293: Mark Unseen   Feb 7 14:30 UTC 2002

So they just create a new account.
slynne
response 157 of 293: Mark Unseen   Feb 7 16:48 UTC 2002

So tpryan, if someone did that to you would it mean that you would lose 
your personality? I like to keep my personality offline.
happyboy
response 158 of 293: Mark Unseen   Feb 7 17:01 UTC 2002

...in a shoebox with some potpourri and special mementos?
oval
response 159 of 293: Mark Unseen   Feb 7 17:16 UTC 2002

#157 -- i feel so decieved!!!
jazz
response 160 of 293: Mark Unseen   Feb 7 17:45 UTC 2002

        (on a side note, it's pretty easy to write a shell script to undo the
damage caused by someone flooding a large conference with responses; 
regenerating the picospan information is a different story)
slynne
response 161 of 293: Mark Unseen   Feb 7 17:47 UTC 2002

resp:158 You looked in my special shoebox didnt you!!!!! 
happyboy
response 162 of 293: Mark Unseen   Feb 7 18:20 UTC 2002

oops.
pgreen
response 163 of 293: Mark Unseen   Feb 8 01:33 UTC 2002

#!/usr/bin/expect -f
set timeout -1;

set name twill
set host cyberspace.org
set password aqq1#y

proc login {phost user pass} {
        spawn ssh $phost -l $user
        expect "password:"
        send "$pass\n"
        return $spawn_id
}

set spawn_id [login $host $name $password];
expect "$ "
send "bbs\n"
set item
while {$item <= 146} {
      expect "Ok: "
      send "r $item\n"
      send "
                             "
      send "r\n"
      expect ">"
      send "Hi, I'm Twill!\n"
      send ".\n"
      incr item
}
morwen
response 164 of 293: Mark Unseen   Feb 8 02:41 UTC 2002

resp:139 I don't mind free expression.  Express yourself all you want, 
just express yourself where I don't have to look if I don't want to, 
thanks.
jp2
response 165 of 293: Mark Unseen   Feb 8 03:11 UTC 2002

This response has been erased.

janc
response 166 of 293: Mark Unseen   Feb 8 03:25 UTC 2002

Is that an expect script?  Seems like massive technological overkill.  This
isn't a task requiring intelligence.  How about this:

  Open some kind of text editor window on your computer.  Type

     Hi, I'm Twill!
     .
     Hi, I'm Twill!
     .
     Hi, I'm Twill!
     .
     Hi, I'm Twill!
     .

  Copy those eight lines into your cut/paste buffer, including the newlines
  at the end of each.

  Telnet to Grex, and enter the bbs.  Type

     set noedalways
     read all nor forceresponse

  Hit the paste button repeatedly.  Each click will probably post the message
  to four items.  Shouldn't take more than a few minutes to do the whole
  conference.  The whole job should take fewer keystrokes than typing the
  expect script.
pgreen
response 167 of 293: Mark Unseen   Feb 8 03:36 UTC 2002

Yeah, but that would have required me to gain knowledge of the commands shown
above. While it is certainly more efficient and quick to execute, neither of
those were included in my goals. Also, I use SSH!
gull
response 168 of 293: Mark Unseen   Feb 8 03:49 UTC 2002

Besides, you know the sysadmin code.  "If you have to do it more than 
twice, automate it."
jep
response 169 of 293: Mark Unseen   Feb 8 14:08 UTC 2002

For the last couple of days, the response box in Backtalk has been 
using robot characters.  I don't know what the font is, but it's a 60's 
computer font looking type of character.  The comma doesn't descend 
below the line and looks like a miniature "L" on it's side...

I thought it was my computer, but realized this morning it's happening 
for both my home and work computers, so it's probably not a change I 
made.

I'd guess this is part of the upgrade to 1.1.11, and that it's not 
intentional.  Please fix it!  Oh, my eyes...

gull
response 170 of 293: Mark Unseen   Feb 8 14:51 UTC 2002

Hmm...the text entry boxes used to be Courier on my system.  Now they 
appear to be Lucidia Console.  Interesting...I had no idea that font 
could be controlled by anything but browser settings.  Lucidia Console 
isn't any worse looking then Courier, really, but it's an optional 
Microsoft font and other systems may substitute one that isn't so 
pleasant.  Courier is less of a problem since pretty much every system 
will have it.
jazz
response 171 of 293: Mark Unseen   Feb 8 16:30 UTC 2002

        CSS, baby, yo.
remmers
response 172 of 293: Mark Unseen   Feb 8 18:33 UTC 2002

Yep.  The source of backtalk pages now has a <STYLE> tag with
contents:  TEXTAREA {font-family: monospace;}
jep
response 173 of 293: Mark Unseen   Feb 8 19:13 UTC 2002

Is there any way to configure my browser to make it give me a more 
reasonable choice for the font?
jazz
response 174 of 293: Mark Unseen   Feb 8 19:40 UTC 2002

        Most browsers have a setting to override a document's specified fonts
with whatever you have set;  whether, and how, this works, depends on the
browser.
janc
response 175 of 293: Mark Unseen   Feb 8 22:38 UTC 2002

Interesting.  I discovered that there are now a lot of browsers that default
to using a proportional font in TEXTAREA boxes.  (Mac versions of IE, for
example).  This has really obnoxious effects, because responses are
*displayed* in a proportional font, but the input wrapping is based on a
proportional font.  Really icky.

So I used a style sheet to force TEXTAREAs to use a monospaced font.  It sets
the font to "monospace" rather than any monospaced fant in particular because
I was figuring that that would be whatever monospaced font is prefered by the
browser.  Obviously Some browsers are doing something different.  I shouldn't
be surprised.

This is easy to change to something different.  I'm open to advice what
should be used.  Courier?
pgreen
response 176 of 293: Mark Unseen   Feb 9 00:46 UTC 2002

Wingdings.
other
response 177 of 293: Mark Unseen   Feb 9 02:45 UTC 2002

I never noticed a difference (mac/NS4.7).

I use monaco-9pt. as my monospace font, and all the plain text on my 
backtalk pages is displayed in it.

There is a setting in most browsers' options to determine what font and 
size the browser uses for monospace and proportional defaults.  You may 
have other options, depending on your browser.
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